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Title: need help with Hagen widen mod
Post by: smife on August 24, 2010, 01:22:03 PM
OK I bought a 14" cut off saw today. I got the inner axle cut (The three bolt plate cut off) no problem. The Hagen mod shows him pointing to the inner ridge on the cv but it looks like it is cut on the outer ridge? Which do I cut and whats the easiest way to jig this up and cut it? My cut off saw started to cut it but 1/2" down it just quit penetrating. Should this be cut with a band saw?
Title: Re: need help with Hagen widen mod
Post by: wildgoody on August 24, 2010, 08:02:11 PM
The axle steel is very hard, and the abrasive saws start cutting really
slow when the cut gets wide.

You need to make sure there is enough room for the diff mount bolts, I made up
one of these stub shafts and it was so tight we had to grind the bolt head down
so it didn't hit

Wild
Title: Re: need help with Hagen widen mod
Post by: bentparts on August 26, 2010, 03:50:23 AM
I used countersunk bolts on mine to get around the clearence issue.
Title: Re: need help with Hagen widen mod
Post by: smife on August 27, 2010, 07:33:19 PM
I got the axle cut and 3 bolt flange welded on. The bolts aren't going to hit, its close but they don't hit. Does this mean I left the stub too long????
Title: Re: need help with Hagen widen mod
Post by: wildgoody on August 27, 2010, 09:20:25 PM
In my opinion that's just right, good job
Title: Re: need help with Hagen widen mod
Post by: smife on August 30, 2010, 03:40:40 PM
So I got my holes drilled for the widening. My new holes aren't spaced exactly the same on both sides. They are a good 1/8" off after I elongated the holes. What problems am I going to run into becaus of this?
Title: Re: need help with Hagen widen mod
Post by: smife on August 30, 2010, 06:54:30 PM
Ok after a little more working I got the new A arms to line up. I measured from a solid point on the frame to the same spot on each A arm and it is the same 15 7/8". Is this critical or am I reading to far into this?
Title: Re: need help with Hagen widen mod
Post by: bentparts on September 01, 2010, 04:20:54 PM
 ;) That's fine, be critical, it's only your steering, handling, and highway manners that r involved.  ::) No really, make it as good as you can, it helps with the alignment too when it comes time, your tech will have an easier time of it and will thank you for being precise.  and you will get it aligned right?
Title: Re: need help with Hagen widen mod
Post by: smife on September 08, 2010, 07:53:30 PM
Yes I will be getting it aligned again. I finally had the chance to work on the Tracker this evening a couple hours. Got some cutting and welding done. Hopefully I will be getting the front end together this weekend. What size spacers has everyone used when widening??
Title: Re: need help with Hagen widen mod
Post by: bentparts on September 09, 2010, 04:14:08 AM
I used a .5" spacer to make up the difference, then I went to a 1" spacer after modifiying my control arms. That's with Calmini coils.
Title: Re: need help with Hagen widen mod
Post by: smife on September 21, 2010, 07:26:01 AM
Still slow going, too much other stuff going on. I'm to the tie rods now. I had to adjust them so far that there are only 6 threads left on the outer tie rod and 8 threads on the inner. What does everyone do about this? There doesn't seem to be enough threads left to hold it properly.
Title: Re: need help with Hagen widen mod
Post by: smife on September 21, 2010, 02:58:10 PM
longer tie rod? longer adjusting sleeve? What did everyone else do?
Title: Re: need help with Hagen widen mod
Post by: bentparts on September 21, 2010, 03:27:48 PM
Hmmmmm, I didn't need to do anything with mine. I did replace the ends before I took it in for alignment, but still used all the stock parts. Did you adjust both sides or just one? If you adjust from both sides you should have more than enough left. I've been running mine for 3 years with no issues.
Title: Re: need help with Hagen widen mod
Post by: smife on September 21, 2010, 07:17:13 PM
I adjusted both sides. It just seems there isn't alot of threads left on the inner and the outer. I'll just try it and see what happens.
Title: Re: need help with Hagen widen mod
Post by: MongooseVRX on March 20, 2012, 02:56:19 PM
I cannot get the a-arm bolts(the ones that will move outward) out to move them >:( I started soaking them with penetrating oil a few days ago. I can turn them with a socket and a breaker bar, but they will not come out. I've been pounding on them with a brass bar and hammer, but no luck. I'm afraid to use heat as to not damage the rubber bushings. How did you guys get thoes bolts out?
Title: Re: need help with Hagen widen mod
Post by: BRD HNTR on March 20, 2012, 09:10:32 PM
I ended up using a sawzall, and another A arm.  Soak and wait, beat & bash, then replace what is left.  I do not have hardly any rust on my Tracker, but the bolt on one side was stuck solid.
Title: Re: need help with Hagen widen mod
Post by: MongooseVRX on March 23, 2012, 04:17:41 AM
I do not have hardly any rust on my Tracker, but the bolt on one side was stuck solid.

Well, my tracker is called "the rusty Mongoose", so after reading your post I decided to bust out the cut-off wheel and cut the bolts out. Ordered new bushings($20.00 each). Thanks for the info BRD HNTR!
Title: Re: need help with Hagen widen mod
Post by: talonxracer on March 23, 2012, 06:43:08 AM
I cannot get the a-arm bolts(the ones that will move outward) out to move them >:( I started soaking them with penetrating oil a few days ago. I can turn them with a socket and a breaker bar, but they will not come out. I've been pounding on them with a brass bar and hammer, but no luck. I'm afraid to use heat as to not damage the rubber bushings. How did you guys get thoes bolts out?

The bolts have siezed within the center bushing due to corrosion. This is to be expected anywheres but the southwest, LOL

I usually torch the arms out and replace the bushings at that point. I have never seen any penetrating oil like PB-Blaster succedd in breaking the galvanic corrosion down. When any moisture gets between the bolt and center bushing, the plain steel bushing and galvanic coated bolt create a electrical charge and the galvanized coating actually bonds to both surfaces(just like applying chrome coating) basically welding the parts together.

Anti-sieze is your best friend during reinstall!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: need help with Hagen widen mod
Post by: BRD HNTR on March 23, 2012, 07:13:24 AM
Changing the bushings isn't fun w/o a press, but it can be done.  Remember that you tighten the A-arms after it is setting on its wheels under weight.  Otherwise the rubber in bushing is always setting under tension.
Title: Re: need help with Hagen widen mod
Post by: talonxracer on March 23, 2012, 07:38:37 AM
I have done poly inserts without a press to remove the old bushings, drill/torch the rubber enough to remove the center bushing and use a hack saw to cut the outer bushing shell, not an easy job at all, and installing new factory bushings without a press is even harder.
Title: Re: need help with Hagen widen mod
Post by: MongooseVRX on March 23, 2012, 08:48:53 AM

Anti-sieze is your best friend during reinstall!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Anti-sieze is right up there next to beer on my must-have list in the garage! [%]D
Title: Re: need help with Hagen widen mod
Post by: bentparts on March 24, 2012, 05:07:23 AM
x3 ;D
Title: Re: need help with Hagen widen mod
Post by: kreator on March 24, 2012, 10:16:03 AM
I dont drink beer but a shot of whiskey works !!! and dont be shy with the never seize give it the the idea that a little is good a lot is better and dont wipe your hands on your pants with the never seize on them your wife will kill you after she washes them in her machine and its all over it  and all over your cloths . >:D
Title: Re: need help with Hagen widen mod
Post by: bentparts on March 25, 2012, 06:24:19 AM
I dont drink beer but a shot of whiskey works !!! and dont be shy with the never seize give it the the idea that a little is good a lot is better and dont wipe your hands on your pants with the never seize on them your wife will kill you after she washes them in her machine and its all over it  and all over your cloths . >:D
:laugh: Been there!