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ZUKIWORLD Discussion Forum => Technical Discussion - Performance / Modify => Topic started by: 4Zstracker on October 04, 2010, 06:47:18 PM
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Im gonna be upgrading my exhaust system soon, and i wondered what kind of difference in sound there is between running a turbo style muffler versus a glass-pack (cherry bomb )?
Im running a 1.6 16v with a K&N that already makes the truck kinda loud, witch isnt a problem, but it sounds kinda "ricey". Ive heard that a glass-pack for this engine will make it sound like one of those coffee can speed bump scrapers. Maybe its just hearsay, but thats not exactly the sound im after.
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I could be wrong but I don't think a glass-pack would make it sound like a little "rice burner", a Resonator would though. A glass-pack goes in line right after the cat but a Resonator goes at the tip back near the rear bumper you could talk to a good muffler shop though to find out more I have heard both before and I would chose the glass pack if i had to (I like the Dynomax turbo muffler I have on my Zuk though) if I had the money though I would have gotten a Flowmaster.
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I did a glass pack on mine for a few weeks and took it off.... Very loud and raspy.... the 1.6 8V through an 18 or 24" glass pack was realy loud. I went to a flowmaster after that and loved it.
Zig
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I have a 12" glass pac and it is loud and sounds a bit deeper than a rice burner, but remember a samurai is a rice burner so call it what it is. For me it's all about function, a glass pack holds up better to a rock and you can get the whole exhaust system tucked up better with one. One good hit on a flow master or turbo muffler and it could kill your day, I deal with the sound.
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LOL unless you lowered your Zuk it is not burning the rice, only flying over it or just through it. That is why I don't call them rice burners (yes I know it is where they are from)
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Ok, im gonna have to say, I dont consider my zuk a "rice burner". It is japanese i guess, but i still want to at least let myself believe that its on a higher level. ;)
Anyways...
Zukipilot; what flowmaster muffler do you use?
Ive seen/ heard a 24" glass pack style muffler (not a resonator) on a 1.6 8v motor (...loud and raspy...), but does the 16v sound any different?
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Ok, im gonna have to say, I dont consider my zuk a "rice burner". It is japanese i guess, but i still want to at least let myself believe that its on a higher level. ;)
Anyways...
Zukipilot; what flowmaster muffler do you use?
Ive seen/ heard a 24" glass pack style muffler (not a resonator) on a 1.6 8v motor (...loud and raspy...), but does the 16v sound any different?
AGREED Zuks ARE on a much higher level then the "rice burner" cars.
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i have a 16v in my sammy i run a 40 series flowmaster i love it
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When I was putting my Calmini header on, I just couldn't resist firing it up, with open pipes. The best description of the sound I have heard so far is "pissed-off bumble-bee". You can't turn that sound into a V-8 rumble, no matter what you do. Best to just hang the flowmaster on there, and be surprised when your J**p-wheeling buddies ask "is that thing running?"
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I am currently running a HushPower by Flowmaster on my V-6. Previously I believe it was a 40 series that I ran on the old kick with the 1.6..... contrary to what thefirstzukman believes... the flowmaster is made of thick plate and will not crush from trail use. I ran the same 40 series muffler for 5-6 years after getting tired of replacing turbo / stock style mufflers that were destroyed by trail use and have sat the entire weight of the vehicle on flowmasters and barely left a scratch.
Also, if your looking for a muffler that allows better trail clearance. Flowmasters fit tight to the belly of the Kicks and only hang down 3.5" (if I remember correctly).
Zig
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and be surprised when your J**p-wheeling buddies ask "is that thing running?"
Very true.. I heard that many times with the calmini Header, flowmaster and 2.25 exhaust.... And they never believe you when you smile and tell them it's stock >:D
Zig
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Similar question... putting a 2.0 VW gas engine in, can i reuse my cat from the 1.3 sammy engine? i dont have to pass emisions fyi
and if i have 2" from the header do i have to have 2" into muffler/cat or can i modify it to fit?
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It would be best to have the same size all the way through, 2" is usually
good enough for a 2.0, but I would use whatever size the factory used
for that engine, or a little larger.
I have always loved the power of the VW engines (water cooled) and
thought a 1.8 GTI 8v engine (101 hp) would be perfect, but that 2.0
I think is a 16V would be much better, and a turbo would make it perfect
;)
Wild
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thats what i was thinkin but he seemed to think a supercharger would be better for offroad. I think the header comes out as 2" which is prolly what id keep unless someone was very persuasive :P
whats the benefit to something like a flowmaster 40 series and a glasspack like a cherrybomb? Ive only heard about glass packs being used to make everything alot louder
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Get a quiet type but good flow muffler, 4 bangers IMO never
sound that good noisy
Wild
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Oh come on Wild I love the sound of my Zuk with an open header you now the lawnmower on steroids sound LMAO :laugh:
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Well, I must admit that the sound of an open exhaust sounds OK with a turbo whistle added in there
;D
Wild
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I love the sound of turbos or a blower setup sounds awesome too (although never heard either on a Zuk yet, I don't know anyone personally offline that has a Zuk with a turbo engine)
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had a glasspack on for a week the drone was so horrible my head felt like it could have exploded, a thrush oval muffler or any chambered muffler should add a nice tone off acceleration and not be to loud while cruising id say 2'' all the way back would be the best bet
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I agree with slow4x4 about the 2" all the way that is what I have on mine too.
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I have a 1.6 and im running a 2.25" pipe no cat n a borla which gives it a slight ricer tone but its not to bad. The cab noise at anything about like 3 grand though can get kinda loud but i got used to it after about the first 2 days.
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Got used to it ??? Naaa, you are going deaf LOL
Wild
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40 series Flowmaster. Do it, and be happy.
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I put a 2.25 Cherry Bomb Collector muffler on my Sammi. Right now it just dumps out of the Cherry and agreed, ITS LOUD AS HELL!. I think with a little bit of pipe, and maybe reducing it to 2 inch, it should quiet down. Plus they are cheap, and they dont take up much room unlike a 40 series. And I agree with how TOUGH they are, once had one puddled with gas on a firebird that backfired 4 foot of flames but the 'muff stayed tuff!
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Don't forget that you need to have a spark arresting device of some sort for a lot of ORV areas and State/Federal parks. A traditional cherry bomb muffler won't work due to it's straight pipe design. They look down on 4 foot flame backfires for some reason. :D