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Title: Hard to Flip
Post by: LilRed on November 24, 2010, 07:38:49 AM
These Zuks are actually very hard to flop over . . .  even when you pick a very bad line & misjudge the depth of the rut!

Turkey Bay rut November 2010_0001.wmv (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mX3RtxEoBJ4#)
Title: Re: Hard to Flip
Post by: ebewley on November 24, 2010, 07:46:06 AM
nice vid... was it hard the get the seat cushion out of your butt after this? :)

-Eric
Title: Re: Hard to Flip
Post by: RACER X on November 24, 2010, 07:55:15 PM
that video made my butt pucker up
Title: Re: Hard to Flip
Post by: bentparts on November 25, 2010, 06:33:31 AM
Way to go Linda! Nice spotting by Duane too.
Title: Re: Hard to Flip
Post by: Zukipilot on November 27, 2010, 06:27:31 PM
Good driving n nice spottng too.....

Zig
Title: Re: Hard to Flip
Post by: LilRed on November 29, 2010, 12:06:53 PM
Thanks for the comments!
I did not let out of the gas but it stopped pulling completely when it got so far over.  Did I starve the auto trans of fluid or why did that happen?
 
Title: Re: Hard to Flip
Post by: bentparts on November 29, 2010, 04:28:42 PM
Good question. I'm sure that's possible, but I've had mine way over like that a few times and never experienced that. I do have more fluid in mine though due the the extended lines and trans cooler. Maybe that makes a difference  ???
Title: Re: Hard to Flip
Post by: wildgoody on November 29, 2010, 06:39:49 PM
I have a 3 speed, I'm thinking your two have the 4 speeds, but I
have to overfill mine by almost 1 quart so it won't stop driving on
steep stuff like that

Wild
Title: Re: Hard to Flip
Post by: LilRed on November 29, 2010, 08:05:13 PM
BP and I both have 3 speeds.  No trans cooler on mine.  
I'll will start overfilling it!  I did not at all like the way it quit pulling!
Title: Re: Hard to Flip
Post by: wildgoody on November 29, 2010, 10:03:20 PM
When I pull the stick to check the level it's about 2" over the top of the
clamped band that holds the metal part that has the fill marks on it
Title: Re: Hard to Flip
Post by: oldstrat84 on November 30, 2010, 08:10:19 PM
That looked fun!
Just wanted to say hello from Harlan, KY. I just got an 87 Samurai about 2 months ago, and I've really enjoyed it so far. I just found my way to this forum recently, and I wondered if you guys make the trip over here to the mountains much...
Title: Re: Hard to Flip
Post by: LilRed on December 01, 2010, 11:16:42 AM
That looked fun!
Just wanted to say hello from Harlan, KY. I just got an 87 Samurai about 2 months ago, and I've really enjoyed it so far. I just found my way to this forum recently, and I wondered if you guys make the trip over here to the mountains much...

Welcome to the forum & congrats on the Sami! 
Black Mountain park is awesome but we don't get there often enough!!  We came over for the Fall Crawl last month but just as spectators, couldn't bring the rigs with us.  Are you a member of the Kentucky Mountain Crawlers?   
Title: Re: Hard to Flip
Post by: derkiow on December 03, 2010, 02:46:02 AM
Right on the limit. Well placed camera man, if the trench had been the opposite incline ,it would have fell over......did you have the box  in 4wd or could it be a quirk of the auto g/box sudden change in demand for torque,,,, Try and replicate  (only joking) ......derkiow
Title: Re: Hard to Flip
Post by: LilRed on December 03, 2010, 08:07:13 AM
Right on the limit. Well placed camera man, if the trench had been the opposite incline ,it would have fell over......did you have the box  in 4wd or could it be a quirk of the auto g/box sudden change in demand for torque,,,, Try and replicate  (only joking) ......derkiow

Was in 4WD hi.  Why do you say it would have over if it been the opposite side?
Title: Re: Hard to Flip
Post by: derkiow on December 04, 2010, 01:32:35 AM
The driver weight is acting as a counter balance. If the driver was sitting on the opposite side of the car or the incline was the other way round your mass would be helping to tip the suzuki over.. the reason i asked about the 4wd drive was , if it was in 2wd the jeep would have stopped going forward as soon as a rear wheel lifted up , unless you've got  a rear locker fitted. I could'nt comment on auto boxes at extreme angles .Never driven one at that sort of tilt I'll leave that to you and it is still an excellent video ....... derkiow
Title: Re: Hard to Flip
Post by: tuxblacray on December 04, 2010, 04:37:53 PM
Pretty kewl lil video.... just think what that hole would have been like with some water in it! Round here all of ours have standing water in them. Couple that with the Haspin Acres clay and it makes for some tuff going!

Either way that 1st dip over the incline to commit is always a rush!!!
Title: Re: Hard to Flip
Post by: LilRed on December 04, 2010, 06:36:53 PM
The driver weight is acting as a counter balance. If the driver was sitting on the opposite side of the car or the incline was the other way round your mass would be helping to tip the suzuki over.. the reason i asked about the 4wd drive was , if it was in 2wd the jeep would have stopped going forward as soon as a rear wheel lifted up , unless you've got  a rear locker fitted. I could'nt comment on auto boxes at extreme angles .Never driven one at that sort of tilt I'll leave that to you and it is still an excellent video ....... derkiow

I suspected you were thinking of the driver weight, but wondered if there was something else I hadn't realized, and that you could tell I didn't have a passenger!  The spare tire is offset to the passenger side & and I carry slightly more weight on that side (battery, tools & cooler) so its not an extreme difference but maybe enough!   I am not 100% convinced it is starving fluid instead of a result of change of torque or binding of the front.  It was strange.  I hope I don't conduct any further tests but if I do, hope its in a rut like that not on a hillside where it could roll.  I would still be digging out pieces of seat if that had been the case here!  Does have a rear locker, open front. 

Pretty kewl lil video.... just think what that hole would have been like with some water in it! Round here all of ours have standing water in them. Couple that with the Haspin Acres clay and it makes for some tuff going!

Either way that 1st dip over the incline to commit is always a rush!!!
  Thanks, I've seen picks of Haspin.  It looks crazy & I'm sure its worse in person!
Title: Re: Hard to Flip
Post by: tuxblacray on December 05, 2010, 11:57:01 AM
I like the goo 10X better than those rocks you were climbing..... at least the goo is a lill user friendly against the body / drivetrain....  :P

Some great clips for shore..... thnxz for sharing them!
Title: Re: Hard to Flip
Post by: oldstrat84 on December 10, 2010, 03:24:49 PM
No I'm not a member but I do ride at the park pretty often. I can be up there in about 5 minutes... which is nice.
Title: Re: Hard to Flip
Post by: fuzzy1 on December 11, 2010, 04:28:59 PM
The driver weight is acting as a counter balance. If the driver was sitting on the opposite side of the car or the incline was the other way round your mass would be helping to tip the suzuki over.. the reason i asked about the 4wd drive was , if it was in 2wd the jeep would have stopped going forward as soon as a rear wheel lifted up , unless you've got  a rear locker fitted. I could'nt comment on auto boxes at extreme angles .Never driven one at that sort of tilt I'll leave that to you and it is still an excellent video ....... derkiow

Good call, & may be correct... but around these here parts, we don't call em j(h)eeps, we call em ZUKES!!   ;) :P "No, it's not a jeep."

Might be right on the trans losing pressure, though I've not had it happen either on any auto I've run. Can't say I've put my Tracker at that angle 'yet'. One thing to be aware of though, is too much trans fluid can result in the fluid frothing, which will cause more problems than it might solve... so be careful on that. Ditto on the cool vid.

Edit: after watching the vid again, I noticed when your drivers rear tire went air-born, you can hear a ratchet type sound... so I'm guessing you have a lockrite type locker in the rear. And... my guess is that its was in 'going around a corner' mode, which is what the ratchet sound was. maybe just characteristic of your locker, or maybe it needs to be shimmed or adjusted or new springs in locker...?
Title: Re: Hard to Flip
Post by: wildgoody on December 11, 2010, 09:49:51 PM
Naw, that's what happens when the one wheel keeps moving forward
it goes into ratcheting, this sound is pretty normal