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ZUKIWORLD Discussion Forum => Suzuki 4x4 Forum => Topic started by: bentparts on March 17, 2011, 04:33:45 PM
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Ok, I've converted to sammy discs on the back of my Tracker and have a total newbie question. How the heck do these clips fit into the caliper? doesn't even show 'em in the fsm, wtf?! ??? I did get everything mounted and ran without them last weekend and they seemed to work just fine, even in deep muddy water. My OCD won't let me leave it though, so any help greatly appreciated, PICS with them in a caliper ( decernable pics please ;) ) would really be the ticket.
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Mods, maybe we should move this to the " beginner " forum? :-[
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They clip over the caliper where the pads touch, keeps wear and noise down
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Thanks Wild, that makes sense. I've spent a lot of time trying to fit them and am still stumped as to how they fit in the caliper. Somebody please a photo!
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I should re-phrase that, not on the calipers, but on the holders,
you know where you slip the pads in and then slip the caliper
over them, it's where the steel backing of the pads contacts the
holder that those slip over, before the pads go in
Sorry if I confused the the situation
Wild
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Dear Wildgoody,
I am still unable to picture this in my minds eye. You know the old saying " a picture is worth a thousand words."
Thanks,
Confused in NJ.
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Hello confused in NJ
...you have a fax...I'll save my 1,000 words.
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Got the fax, thanks John, but I couldn't see anything it was so dark!
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have you givin Google "images" a shot bent? it sometimes takes a while but it has saved me a few times.
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No never tried it. I put the brakes back togethger without the clips, but will give the google image thing a try. Thanks Jluck.
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here you go man.....
(http://acksfaq.com/frontaxle/pic1a.JPG)
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THANK YOU LOCJAW !!!! No wonder I couldn't get them "in" They go on the outside :P Man do I feel like a newb. :laugh:
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Well, now that Locjaw cleared up the mystery of the clips, I've got another issue. After driving with the new rear discs for a couple of weeks and enjoying the phenominal new braking power, they started making noise. After checking everything out and disassembling them it seems the pad carrier is sometimes rubbing against the disc. This is the fixed part of the caliper that bolts to the Trail Tough adapter bracket. How it can move as much as 1/8th to 3/16th of an inch seems impossible, unless that 1/4" thick TT bracket is actually flexing. The scraping gets worse when I go around a corner, and if I apply the brakes even slightly the scraping stops. Aside from clearencing the pad holder where the disc runs through it to get rid of the scraping, I'd like to know what would cause this so I can deal with it correctly. Any Ideas? I've already checked the runout of the discs and adapters and all are within spec, .006 or less. The axle has the normal amount of lateral play just a few thousands, not enough to allow the disc to move in and out the amount it needs to make contact. ???
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Talked to Brent at TT and according to him the rear axle should have NO in/out movement what so ever. Seems like I need to do wheel bearings. Odd though, only started to do this after the disc conversion.
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Are you running Samurai rotors? Would a pair or Sidekick rotors
work instead? In other words are the 2 rotors the same or is the
one a little different to solve your robbing problem? I have to
wonder if .006 is a correctable amount of sideplay and you are
chasing a problem that cannot be fixed
Wild
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Yeah Wild, I'm running Sammy rotors and calipers. I don't have a stock set of Trackick rotors to try, I run 4 door brakes up front, but I wonder if a Trackick rotor would work with a Sammy caliper. I pulled the axle that had the rubbing issue, and aside from ruining the bearing seal ( I used black Tough Stuff RTV to seal the bearing retaining plate and it pulled the outer seal off the bearing when I pulled it. Sure IS tough stuff! ) the bearing itself seemed ok. Now I have to change it. Lucky for me a local Pep Boys had the bearing and retainer in stock, wonder of wonders. I still don't think it has anything to do with the wheel bearing.
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So it turns out Trackick and Sammy brake rotors have a slightly differrent offset so cannot be exchanged. Going to replace bearings today and reinstall everything.
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I finally discovered ALL the issues causing my rotor grinding. 1st was the pad carrier part of the re-built calipers I bought from Napa. They were not square to the rotor causing the whole thing to ride cockeyed. I had to square them up with a file to fit correctly. I should have known that the powder coating was hiding something, and that something was a badly tweaked carrier. I thought the powder coating was a bonus, but it was actually there to hide the badly corroded caliper parts. 2nd was the used ( but never installed) Trail Tough disc adapters I purchased from someone on the Zuwharrie forum. They had over 1/16 " runout and although that doesn't sound like much, carry that out to the edge of the disc and it was enough to make it rub. A machinist buddy of mine trued them up for me and he couldn't believe how far off they were. He said it may have something to do with how they were cut. The lazer cutting method used on these may have heated them up enough to warp the steel. Or maybe it was just crappy steel. It definitely heated them up enough to harden the edges and ruin one of his cutting tools! That's something to keep in mind if anyone is going to do this mod, especially if you drive your rig on the highway. Before you install everything permanantly, check the adapters for runout. Oh, BTW, it WAS NOT the wheel bearings.
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Any other problems with the setup?
Did you have to turn in a junkyard core from NAPA for the calipers or was it just a purchased new/refurb part?
Let me know how it works out. I'm only running 30" tires on stock 2dr brakes but I've always considered upping to 4door fronts and Samurai rear disc but don't feel the need to (if it ain't broke don't fix it, and it also stops great in stock form).
Check back and let us know how well it works out once all the problems are ironed out.
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Any other problems with the setup?
Did you have to turn in a junkyard core from NAPA for the calipers or was it just a purchased new/refurb part?
Let me know how it works out. I'm only running 30" tires on stock 2dr brakes but I've always considered upping to 4door fronts and Samurai rear disc but don't feel the need to (if it ain't broke don't fix it, and it also stops great in stock form).
Check back and let us know how well it works out once all the problems are ironed out.
Dj, yeah I had to turn in cores, thats another story altogether. I bought some supposedly " good " used calipers, rotors and the mounting kit ( TT) from a guy on Zuwharrie. The TT kit stuff had never been installed, but the " good " rotors and calipers turned out to be seized and rusted so bad they were junk, and the rotors were so pitted from sitting outside thgey couldn't be cut enough to salvage them. Should have just went to the upullit for cores.
They seem to be getting better every time I drive it.
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Good news good news. You're running, what, 32x11.50s? 33s?
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32x11.50's and my suspension is tall and mushy. Lots of wind drag too. But at least it stops now ;D, still wallows like a boat though :laugh:
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So now you can go from 50-0 in no time! :D
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rotors = $16
caliper = $25
rockauto, and maybe less at autoprts store (I get wholesale)
why turn 'em?
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Oh yeah, the rotors are cheap! Shipping adds up because of the weight but not too bad. I'm just PO'd I got took. My own fault looking for a " cheap " deal. Sure does stop good though, that's right 50 to 0 real fast. Calipers are cheap, but you gotta have cores! or their twice as much.