ZUKIWORLD Online | Suzuki 4x4 Editorial and Forum
ZUKIWORLD Discussion Forum => Suzuki 4x4 Forum => Topic started by: bandit86 on May 23, 2004, 04:45:44 PM
-
I have wheeled my sunrunner for a yer almost, some pretty hardcore stuff. I have a 4inch body lift, 33x12.5 tires on 10 inch rims and AUTO locking hubs. yes. everything else is stock
If you're breaking parts, you're driving too rough. Ease off the rough starting, especially in 4low, with big tires. Most things break when people dump the clutch too fast. Always feather the clutch till you can feel the driveline slack being taken up, then give her heck.
Suzuki has spent countless hours and $$ developing the ifs on our little trucks, believe me it is set up get the most life expectancy and offroading ability it can give. Sure calamini gives you a kit that will give you 3 inches of suspension lift, but at the cost of having severe driveline angles. I dont know the exact figures, but for every 10 degree angle on the cv joint, the life expectancy is cut in half. roughly... Also, how much power it can transmit is affected.
I like straight axle front ends, they can sure take a beating. But not on my tractor. Ifs gives you better ride quality and better contact patch on uneven terrain. I believe Ifs also weighs less. The reason Jeeps come with live front end is because it's tried tested and true- if it works, why change it? That right there is american thinking. (another good example is the small block chev - 40 years without a change) If you ever watch a BAJA 1000, look at the suspension- ifs in front, those guys know what works.
Keep her on a diet. I mean your truck. Weight is a great advantage, which is why sidekicks are so much better than heeps. If you are going to carry twice as much weight, you will need twice as much power to do it. You also need twice as much tire contact area as before. I saw some pretty awsome tube bumpers done in the past, a guy I know put one on his full size chev that weighed 200 pounds. no kidding, I almost got a hernia trying to lift it. All the little extras add up.
Last but not least, http://128.83.80.200/taco/scarysteering.html
check this site frequently, has good points on what not to do, just in case you're feeling creative.
Like I said, just my two cents
-
Like I said, just my two cents
Are those Canadian Cents?
;D
-
I will only say this, The defintion of Hardcore varies.
what you think it is and others are 2 different things.
-
takes a jeep with 38s, lockers a heck of a lot more horsepower and several tries to go through the same trails I go through.
-
yah but a 2 door tackkick on yota axles with 3 inch lifted yj's and missing links would be sick :P
-
yah but a 2 door tackkick on yota axles with 3 inch lifted yj's and missing links would be sick :P
It would be a nice rig, but the point of this thread is that there are advantages to IFS (clearance and weight) over straight axles.
-
If you ever watch a BAJA 1000, look at the suspension- ifs in front, those guys know what works. ÂÂ
They know what works for the Baja...
-
I know what works. I miss my tracker but i'm to lead foot and dont have money so i got a sammi..P.S look ;D(http://www.dezertrangers.com/pictures/2004-02-01_ocotillo/IMG_1843web.jpg)
-
As mentioned previously...apples to oranges. IFS is great for pre-runner type stuff, baja racing, street driving etc. But when it comes to rockcrawling, solid axle is the only way to go. you would be hard-pressed to find an IFS competition rockcrawler i think!
-
As mentioned previously...apples to oranges.  IFS is great for pre-runner type stuff, baja racing, street driving etc.  But when it comes to rockcrawling, solid axle is the only way to go.  you would be hard-pressed to find an IFS competition rockcrawler i think!
Not too hard pressed. :)
http://www.4wheeloffroad.com/featuredvehicles/131_WEB_WALK/
-
but what that article failed to say was that he is useing his soild axle rig agian cuz he didn't like that one. ;)
stu
-
Good look Eric 8)
-
eric, you almost had a good one there! ;D the original solid axle walker evans s-dime is amazing. had a chance to see it up close and personal at the off-road expo in pomona two years ago. talk about some serious fab and dough...WOW!
-
http://atv.polarisindustries.com/atv/galleryPopup.aspx?ModelID=0CF5A8D4-598D-4CFB-ADDF-AA8817FBF958&PageIndex=0
How many ATV owners do a SAS? IS IT NOT POSSIBLE THAT IFS CAN WORK FOR OFF ROAD USE? It would seem so.
Mike
-
Also, are we talking about profesional rockcrawling here or real world wheeling? I doubt any SAS tracker is going to be more capable than Walker Evans IFS/IRS rig. So again, is it possible to build an IFS rig worthy of trail use? Again It would seem so.
Also has anyone noticed how simmilar an ATV is to a trackick? Coil sprung, Lower control arm, with struts, and cv shafts. ::)
Mike
-
*snicker*
this is soo much fun.
:-*
~Nate
-
Wow....I just realised I'm driving a really big ATV.....cool  ;D
-
Also has anyone noticed how simmilar an ATV is to a trackick? Coil sprung, Lower control arm, with struts, and cv shafts.  ::)
Mike
i've always thought of my rig as an atv with a heater and tunes ;D
-
I finally got to witness one of the heated debates that Eric was talking about in Stu's thread. ;D
My stance is that I'm leaving my kick IFS, for the time being. After all, I'm after building a unique vehicle, and I still want to show all the local naysayers around here that IFS can rock it in the mud, too. ;D
-
:-X :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X
(http://puresuzuki.com/Mikein~1a.jpg)
(http://puresuzuki.com/002White_Zukivp.jpg)
(http://puresuzuki.com/P0002232.jpg)
(http://puresuzuki.com/dscn0307a.jpg)
(http://puresuzuki.com/980405-007a.jpg)
(http://puresuzuki.com/P0003957.jpg)
(http://izook.com/features/godzuki2/images/zroc.jpg)
(http://rpm4x4.com/images/moab2002/mike-breaker.jpg)
(http://rpm4x4.com/images/moab2002/heldorado-spike.jpg)
(http://izook.com/features/godzuki/images/tellico.jpg)
:-X :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X
Enough said ;D
-
Zukipilot, you have such a wonderful way with words ;D
-
;D
-
:-X :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X
([url]http://puresuzuki.com/dscn0307a.jpg[/url])
:-X :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X
Enough said ;D
Is now:
(http://www.zukiworld.com/month_110103/images/solidaxle/Rubiconpicture.jpg)
Just FYI... ;)
-Eric
-
that second picture looks a lot more flexy!! ;D
-
Nice.....
(http://www.zukiworld.com/month_110103/images/solidaxle/Rubiconpicture.jpg) :D
-
Hey, I could get up on that ;D My wheel would just be about 1-1.5' in the air instead of close to the ground ;D
That is a sweet pic though, I'll have to give you that much ;)
Zig
-
All I know is that here in Michigan we don't have a lot of rocks. Mostly mud, must have something to do with all that water around here.
So, underbody clearance is the best thing around here. And with a IFS I have better clearance with smaller tires.
Haven't hit any really big rocks yet other than some at the Badlands.
-
All I know is that here in Michigan we don't have a lot of rocks.  Mostly mud, must have something to do with all that water around here.
So, underbody clearance is the best thing around here.  And with a IFS I have better clearance with smaller tires.
Very true... just woods, swamp, and sand around here :-/
After I lifted my Kick I drove it over to my friends house and he was amazed at the amount of ground clearance it had (Full-sized Chevy guy).
-
Hey, I could get up on that ;D My wheel would just be about 1-1.5' in the air instead of close to the ground ;D
That is a sweet pic though, I'll have to give you that much ;)
Zig
To add to that droop is the amount of compression. If he was nose down, it may have a tendency to nose dive and bring the rear up and over.
There are lots of layovers and endues due to the tremendous droop of suspension, and lots of driver error with that droop.
-
that second picture looks a lot more flexy!! ;D
Flexy doesnt mean better. Im not knocking Erics rig cause I like/liked it both ways. ;D
We went too hells revenge two days with two different groups of trucks. The only 2 IFS rigs were chunk and I. Chunk has some of the worst flex ive ever seen, yet he was the only one that I saw drive out of mickeys hot tub. ::) OR to drive up that slickrock wall in hells revenge... ::) I couldnt do it either, but my point is, an IFS car did. Theres something to be said for stability.
Mike
-
Flexy doesnt mean better. Im not knocking Erics rig cause I like/liked it both ways. ;D
Mike
Yeah, me too... :)
-Eric
-
Yeah, me too... :)
-Eric
HeHeHe, you'll like it both ways :-*
-
HeHeHe, you'll like it both ways :-*
Oh My
:o
-
come to think of it, my 91 yj with the 4.0 broke more front differentials and I never even got to do as much hardcore stuff as I do with my ATV.... I mean tracker
-
doesn't YJ = heep ?
-
doesn't YJ = heep ?
Yeah, another Suzuki convert... :)
-Eric