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ZUKIWORLD Discussion Forum => Suzuki 4x4 Forum => Topic started by: John F on November 06, 2011, 11:57:50 AM
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Looking to add a winch to the front of my 90 sammi.
What is the minimum strength (weight capacity) I should consider?
Does anybody have pictures of the bumper/wench assembly that they would like to share?
Thanx
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On a Rating,
My rule of thumb, double the laden weight of your rig.
Then find a winch unit at or above that number.
Also make sure all your slings, tow straps, snatch blocks are also above this rating.
And a little often winching mistake:
IF YOU ARE USING A "SNATCH BLOCK" TO A LAND ANCHOR.......
The equipment AND THE TIE OFF POINT has to be able to hold DOUBLE the laden weight you are trying to pull !!!!
CAPT
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Warn Industries' rule of thumb is:
Gross Vehicle Weight Rating x 1.5 = minimum pulling capacity.
With that being said, you'll be fine with any 6,000 lb. capacity winch.
Check out our VR8000 winch. It's part of our Entry Level Series. It's available with steel rope or synthetic rope.
http://www.warn.com/truck/winches/VR8000_winch.shtml (http://www.warn.com/truck/winches/VR8000_winch.shtml)
We're running a $50 rebate on our winches, too.
- Andy
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I'd say 6000# or better. Also make sure it's mounted securely and in as many points as you can to spread the tension. The Sammy's frame is not the thickest hence the light weight. It can and will bend or breack if too much strain is in one place. I recommend strengthening the cross tube between the frame by pounding a piece of 1 1/4" pipe in it and tacking the ends. You have to cut the stock bumper mounts off but you won't need them with a winch bumper. After I re-enforced the tube, I welded tabs from the bumper and bolted to the tube for more strength.
(http://i297.photobucket.com/albums/mm217/lv2fsh/STA73005JPG1-1.jpg)
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I've got a Superwinch X6 6000 lb in an ARB bull bar, required modifications , and the control box under the hood
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a few things to consider ...
* how often do you expect to be using the winch?
If the answer is "often", then ...
- make sure it has a decent line speed
- probably worth investing in a quality "name brand"
If the answer is "rarely", then ...
- you can likely save some coin getting a slower winch
- might want to run rope instead of cable to save weight.
* rope or cable?
This can be a user preference.
I like rope because of the weight savings and ease of handling and repair.
Rope does need some precautions tho (i.e. not good to have chafing on sharp rocks)
* capacity isn't everything
IMO, I'd take a fast (line speed) 6k winch vs. a slow 8k winch
Just some random thoughts ...
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I have a Warn M6000 and a T-maxx 9000, can't get any support on the T-Maxx when working on it. I like the new Warn with the controls built into the bridge. Buy one from the company that offers support through a US company, I have never found a good deal on a used one, I bought my Warn new for around $600.
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Remember that light is better, them of the rig. A 6-8k winch on the sammi is a waist and adds a lot of weight is the wrong place.
With Warns info you need a 3K winch. Add synthetic line and you can get one for under $150 shipped on fleebay that only weighs 25 lbs.
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I run an old Superwinch 9000, it hasn't had an issue pulling me up anything yet. Front bumper is spaced from the end of the frame, made with box steel:
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Remember that light is better, them of the rig. A 6-8k winch on the sammi is a waist and adds a lot of weight is the wrong place.
With Warns info you need a 3K winch. Add synthetic line and you can get one for under $150 shipped on fleebay that only weighs 25 lbs.
3K would splatter the 1st time you buried a Sammy in mud and goo. That might be a good rolling weight number but not a good number when you are out in the boonies and dependent on the winch pulling you out of a spot where no man was meant to go from the beginning.
At least that's my opinion having seen this 1st hand several times over the years. Buy a winch the is at least double your vehicle dry weight.
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http://www.harborfreight.com/9000-lb-off-road-vehicle-winch-with-automatic-load-holding-brake-68143.html (http://www.harborfreight.com/9000-lb-off-road-vehicle-winch-with-automatic-load-holding-brake-68143.html)
$349
Mine looks a bit diff then the one of their website and is labeled "badland". 100' cable, the one above says 85' so maybe a model change... not sure.
Find the 20% off in a sunday paper, added 2yr warranty. Think it was like $350ish after all said and done.
Home-grown bumper!
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[url]http://www.harborfreight.com/9000-lb-off-road-vehicle-winch-with-automatic-load-holding-brake-68143.html[/url] ([url]http://www.harborfreight.com/9000-lb-off-road-vehicle-winch-with-automatic-load-holding-brake-68143.html[/url])
$349
Mine looks a bit diff then the one of their website and is labeled "badland". 100' cable, the one above says 85' so maybe a model change... not sure.
Find the 20% off in a Sunday paper, added 2yr warranty. Think it was like $350ish after all said and done.
Home-grown bumper!
Yep thats a Mile Marker / Chicago Electric winch... It's alot of winch for the $$$ and will tug out any Sammy without a groan. You will have to be anchored down though to pull out those F150's that get stuck in front of you though... LOL ;-]
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Yep thats a Mile Marker / Chicago Electric winch... It's alot of winch for the $$$ and will tug out any Sammy without a groan. You will have to be anchored down though to pull out those F150's that get stuck in front of you though... LOL ;-]
I remember it having a wimpy duty cycle rating with like a 15min cool down period or something lol. I have not pulled myself 100' but I have had no issues out of dozens of pulls.
I can second that you wanna keep an anchor strap handy. Helping some kids out.. I was even being pulled towards one of those razor UTV things stuck in the mud ha. I didn't install my wench to pull others tho... it will pull my rig up a tree i am sure.
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From what I have seen and experienced it is best to rate your winch so that you can have a chance to recover other vehicles that you ride with. There is nothing more comical or dangerous than trying to use a undersized winch and have a catastrophic failure.
As far as sammi or sidekick self recovery I have even used a come along with great success.
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4k is double the vehicle weight and a snatch block will double that.
I have had good luck with the HF winches and the Badlands are supposed to be better.
Just like most things, many are made in the same place. Check the specs and draw and HP.
I picked up a 6k for my full size (7000lb) for a hitch mount. It has the same ratings as a 8k. I also have plenty of straps a block and tree savers.
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Guys, do yourselves a favor and go warn or viper.
Warn has a good reputation, but these days I like viper.
Had my 4k warn freespool on my bike a year back and refuse to lock back in. Two year old winch never wu meted and used less than four times.
I've since gone to viper and it has never let me down. I scope it out and grease the gears occasionally... Ie once a year.
Best part... Dirt cheap and my sales rep is a fox.
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Guys, do yourselves a favor and go warn or viper.
Warn has a good reputation, but these days I like viper.
Had my 4k warn freespool on my bike a year back and refuse to lock back in. Two year old winch never wu meted and used less than four times.
I've since gone to viper and it has never let me down. I scope it out and grease the gears occasionally... Ie once a year.
Best part... Dirt cheap and my sales rep is a fox.
If you've still got your WARN winch, it probably has a limited lifetime warranty on it. Still might be fixable.
- Andy
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Warns a pretty bulletproof, so it should be fixable. The new economy winches make them a lot closer in price to the harbor freight specials as well.
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Just as a note anything you should break on the Harbor Freight winch you can order through Mile Marker.
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Yes, warn would fix it, if I pay shipping to Alabama and fix the crapped out electrics myself.
I stupidly paid retail on that one, 3k lb for 450 rather than cost at 219. My mistake at the time. Being told my winch electrics, which were
Never submerged were crapped out because of abuse left a bad taste in my mouth. I keep it in the shed on a shelf with other junk, reminders to not expect quality from anyone.
Considering I used to sell 40-50 rt30s a month, that's saying something.
We always double the weight and recommended as well. I've stalled out 3k winches with two blocks and a lighter big bore atv. Suction is everything.
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Sure Warn winchs are nice, but for a sammi or kick they dont have much available on the lower end of the size spectrum. I just found a Smittybuilt Xr4 comp with synthetic rope for 129$. sure it only has 10 meters of line, but I have NEVER needed to pull my vehicle even half of that distance, if I need a longer line to reach an anchor I have 2 30' lengths of strap and a snatch block if I need to rescue something heavier like a heep.
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It looks like you got a great deal on that winch. Used? The lowest price I saw for was for $179 with the steel cable. For around $130 more you can get the Smitty 8,000lb winch.
I don't think a 4000lb is enough winch capacity for the Samurai stuck in a bad situation. I've been mired in hub deep mud with deep ruts and my 8000lb Warn winch struggled a little to pull my Samurai out. It was really nasty. A small 4000lb would have left me stranded out in the boonies after it pucked out its guts. Even with a snatch block. The synthetic rope can break too (I had a buddy snap his this past weekend) and the 4000lb winch will only have 4000lb test line.
Which goes to my next point-I've only used a winch when I don't have a buddy to yank me with a strap. Usually when I'm exploring a new area. Therefore, I'd rather get a little bit larger winch that I need and that gives me piece of mind that I can winch myself out of a bad situation.
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Just as a note anything you should break on the Harbor Freight winch you can order through Mile Marker.
You can also order parts through Harbor Freight.
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Smaller viper winches (6-8000lb range) are in the 300$ range. Certain affordable considering they come with goodies too... And the quality is superb.
I like synthetic because it saves massive weight if going with longer lines.
Not only that but I love have amsteel lines with hooks on both ends for my bike. Seems like it would work well for Zukis too. 2 fifty ft tow lines that can fit in a quart ziploc bag are handy.
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I agree with synthetic rope being the better (and safer) choice for most applicaitons. I plan to convert my winches to it when the time comes to replace the cables.
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I agree with synthetic rope being the better (and safer) choice for most applicaitons. I plan to convert my winches to it when the time comes to replace the cables.
It could take some time to wear a cable out. Unless kinked, I don't see your Sami's wearing out a steel cable, even with weekly use. The synthetics don't kink, even with sloppy spooling (which I wouldn't expect on your Sami's either).
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You can talk about suction but time will solve that issue. Take your time, it is safer and you still get out.
Having a buddy is fine on a flat surface. But when you are in the tangles, winching point to point or over things is the only answer.
Remember, it is easier to winch out a lighter vehicle, synthetic is god send :)