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ZUKIWORLD Discussion Forum => Technical Discussion - Performance / Modify => Topic started by: cyp_raziel on December 23, 2011, 01:44:33 AM
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guys i just bought a 2000 model 4.0 liter V6 sohc ford explorer engine...
the thing is i dont know how to fit it to my vitara (1995 model swb 1.6 soch. also fitted body and suspension lift on it)
first: i dont have ford explorer ecu. i ve the engine numberbut no chassis number how to find a ecu number ?
second: in what stages should i follow to success on engine swap. as you understand i will not change the gearbox. just engine swap.
hope you can help me guys
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That is alot of fabrication work, an adaptor needs to be fabricated to mount the engine to the trans, and then fabrication of engine mounts and then integration of the Ford wiring and ECU into the existing gen1 wiring.
Keep us posted on your progress!
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Just my suggestion...
Get rid of the Ford engine and start looking for a Suzuki donor vehicle - in order of preference (my preference based on ease of swap), a 2.0 four cylinder Vitara or Tracker, a 2.5 V6 Grand Vitara or Tracker, a 2.7 V6 Grand Vitara XL-7 - note I say donor vehicle, not engine - the more pieces you have the greater your chances of pulling the swap off successfully. At the very minimum, you want the engine with the ECU and the harness.
Your ability to successfully complete an engine swap is largely based on your ability to perform the work (assuming you have the skills), or to pay someone else who has the skills.
The 2.0 swap has been done and there should be kits available to make the job an almost bolt-in swap - both the 2.5 & 2.7 V6 swaps have been done by users here who can offer some guidance - if you go the Ford V6 you're going to have to find your own solutions to the different tasks - engine mounts, adapter plates to mate the transmission to the engine, intake, exhaust & cooling system plumbing, fuelling and ECU wiring.
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Fordem is right on.
If you haven't done this before, breaking new ground on motor swap is going to test your resolve.
Take your motor number and check on internet on how to tell year of ford motor. Then you will know what year you are working with.
Check wrecking yards for Ford year ECU's. Also check for what wiring you can get.
Check with wrecking yards for Transmission and Transfer Case for you motor. Probably will need the Transmission Control Unit, and possibly the Body Control Unit also.
Newer vehicles have communication systems that will put Control Units into default if they loose communication with each other.
Having a donor vehicle means you the have everything available and at hand to make it work. Whether you are blending the two systems together to make it work, or swapping everything from the donor into the receiver vehicle, it will take lots of wiring manipulation to accomplish the task. The easy part is physically installing the motor & transmission TC, if you have jacks, jack stands, hoist or chainfall/comealong, torch, welder, etc. Mating off manufactor motor & transmissions usually takes a machine shop, or hopefully a manufactored adapter.
Or go to a shop and say make it so.
Read through the Build Diaries, and pay attention to how long some of the builds take, and how many seem to just go smoothly.
I just passed on a great deal on a 2.7 motor, Trans., and TC because there was absolutely NO WIRING, and I have a set of ECM, BCM, TCM for that model year. And I have made that swap. Getting wiring is a PITA.
Good Luck
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guys no worries i found the ECU
now the thing is changing the front and rear axles (probably with toyota or jeep. what is your suggestion??) and gearbox ???
one of the prof guys told me i can modify vitara up to 130hp/ however my engine is 215hp. therefore he suggest me to change gearbox and axles.
no worries i ve a good technician and mechanic who knows what they doing. BUT WE NEED A ROUTE TO FOLLOW.
what is your suggestions guys ???
A) fabricating flange to fit explorer 4.0 on a stock vitara ??
B) changing axles (which axles do you suggest ?? i want my car to be solid front axle) and gearbox (which gearboxes do you suggest) ????
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guys any response ??? since i was searching for good solid axles.. it can be land cruiser, nissan patrol, jeep cherokee.. i prefer 5 strud 5.5 but i would like to know your suggestions ?
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International scout 2. They went to disc front brakes around 1973! Good luck
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14 bolt
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You are entering uncharted waters with that "Fuked Over Rebuilt Dodge" engine swap, LOL. Sure there are large bulky v6 swaps that have been done, like the GM 4.3 builds and that would be the closest for you to emmulate. It sounds like your mechanic/fabricator should be the one posting up.
You are going to need alot of one-of parts, so I hope you have deep pockets.
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I'm running beefed up Toyota Mini truck axles in my Kick with the Suzuki 2.5L V-6.... and have had no issues with them.
Zig
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You are entering uncharted waters with that "Fuked Over Rebuilt Dodge" engine swap, LOL. Sure there are large bulky v6 swaps that have been done, like the GM 4.3 builds and that would be the closest for you to emmulate. It sounds like your mechanic/fabricator should be the one posting up.
You are going to need alot of one-of parts, so I hope you have deep pockets.
Dodge's suck. Ford builds a better truck, maybe Cummins builds a better engine, but that ain't no dodge product either. :laugh:
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You are entering uncharted waters with that "Fuked Over Rebuilt Dodge" engine swap, LOL. Sure there are large bulky v6 swaps that have been done, like the GM 4.3 builds and that would be the closest for you to emmulate. It sounds like your mechanic/fabricator should be the one posting up.
You are going to need alot of one-of parts, so I hope you have deep pockets.
Dodge's suck. Ford builds a better truck, maybe Cummins builds a better engine, but that ain't no dodge product either. :laugh:
LOL, maybe modern trucks, but the old school powerwagons were awesome offroaders but big bucks to work on, chevys were a dime a dozen and spare parts everywhere(you were gonna need them), and Ford made a rock tough frame down but the bodies rusted quickly especially the boxs.
My favorite was the old early 50's dodge 4x4 ambulance truck i learned to drive with. plywood floors and all, LOL
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I just like f'in with ya. >:D
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LOL, of course! wouldnt have it any other way.
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Hey aren't yall suppose to be telling the OP every step needed on how to drop his ford motor in and what all fabrication is needed with supplied CAD drawings and etc?? LOL
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I thought they were doing a good job of leading him in the rite direction... Kinda like wheelin... sombodies gott go 1st an this guy has the luck of the draw. :laugh:
We get ta sit back an learn from him.... Now bout them Dodges.... C'mon boyz really.. 1978 440 3/4 ton 4spd granny on 38's ... kinda hard ta shut down / not cheap ta keep but very user friendly off road.... Just Sayin! 8)
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GUYSSS !! LOL :D you just chattin about random stafff
LETS SUMMARISE THIS
I HAVE AN 95 SWB SIDEKICK
I BOUGHT 2000 MODEL FORD EXPLORER V6 4.0 LITER SOHC (WITH EVERYTHING I NEEED LIKE ELECTRICAL CIRCUIT)
NOW I NEED TO FIND AN GEARBOX FOR THIS ENGINE BECAUSE I DONT THINK VITARA'S GEARBOX CAN HANDLE THIS
ANY SUGGESTIONS ???
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Suggestions - yup.
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Suggestion ? DON'T DO IT! :laugh:
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pfff i didnt got why you r just BULLSHITING about random staff.. this thread is not for this..
if you have any good idea, then write something.. otherwise just go away.
AGAIN I AM ASKING !!!
i have a ford explorer 4.0 liter engine and have all electrical circuit etc...
need to find relevant gearbox because i dont thiink vitara's gearbox can handle 215hl 435nm torque
ANY SUGGESTIONS ??
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I am no technical guru but I think most ogf the guys who are "In the know" gave you the answer when they told you to go buy a complete wrecked drivetrain and move it to your vehicle. You may need to post on a Ford site to get your transmission question answered. Also, I doubt that making people angry is going to cause them to respond.
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I just thought you wanted to know what transmission to use behind the 4.0. If it were my vehicle I would not plan to use the stock suzuki trans.
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If you want to stay with Suzuki gear box, find a '04 and later XL7 gear box. Suzuki up graded them with larger shafts, and they should hold up. They were pushing 185 hp through them. I suggest going to the ford, because of the ease of mating them, and if going to automatics the compatibility of the computers. The '04 and later XL7's ran 3 main computers and a couple auxiliary ones, that have to communicate with each other or they throw codes.
Blending computer systems is a tedious task. The benefits are for those who do it.
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I would run the Ford transmission and transfer case behing the 4.0 to make things easier. The transfer will be drivers drop for the front axle so I would look at the Jeep Cherokee sport front axle, should be easy to install to with the spring pads and 4 link mounts to work with. My .02 cents. Good luck, should be fun!
Kevin