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ZUKIWORLD Discussion Forum => Suzuki 4x4 Forum => Topic started by: vuzuki on May 27, 2012, 08:11:03 AM
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So I went to the junk yard and found a 2 door neon with Perfect seats and brought them home for 40 bucks. Don't know how many places I've read these have the same width tracks so even if they don't quite work it's not hard to get it to work.
They don't have the same width tracks at all.. suzuki is something like 15 1/2 vs the neons 17 1/2. Any thoughts as to what I did wrong would be appreciated.. a Lot
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What vehicle are you trying to put them in?
I believe the comments were more for a Suzuki Samurai swap.
Samurai seat tracks are fairly flat. Just weld some flat strap to the base of the seat, then drill holes accordingly.
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Putting the neons into my stock 88 samurai.
not sure what you mean nor can I weld :\ sorry..
Thinking about getting the neon sliders off and getting the samurai sliders onto the neon seat? as the neon sliders are no where near fitting..
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Just about any seat will fit but some folks like the Neon seats... Alot depends on width (being narrow) so that you don't crowd the center where the shifter / emergency brake / console is located. That being said narrow is good.
I put Corvette seats in mine which are a similar wifth as yours.
What Zuksofhazzard is refering to is taking some flat steal my 1/4" thick or so by about 2" wide and an inch or so longer that your seat rails and drilling and mounting these to the bottoms of your seat.
Once you get these in location place the old Samuri tracks on the flat steel and mark the drill holes for the tracks on the flat steel.
Drill out these locations and bolt the Samurai tracks to the flat steel.
Hope that makes sense to you... This is the method I used to mount my seats in place and it worked without any troubles.
Now you can bolt your new seats into your stock Samurai floor pan locations without any problems.
If you need additional help just ask...
Tux... 8)
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Lots of help.. was kind of freaking out this morning. I think I understand what you mean, I work full time though and I don't think anywhere is open to get flat steel before I drive back to work >.< trying to figure that part out too.
But for Starters, there are kind of big dials on the sides of the drivers seat to adjust the angle and lumbar. Not sure how to take those off?? tried some prying and trying to get the covers off. no luck :\
thank you guys for being so nice and all
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Can't help you much on the big dials since I didn't use Neon seats. I would assume they are held on with clips or an allen head srew, or screw on counterclockwise. Depending on your seat belt arrangement maybe the dials can go to the inside. (maybe not?) At any rate if noboody else answers or knows the boyz at the wrecking yard can tell ya fer sure...
As for the steel, check you local wrecking yard, welding shop, or any machine shop they should have what you need without issue.
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I'll look for clips, tried unscrewing them and looking for a screw or tiny cover. no luck. and I just want them off so I can take it all apart and take the rails off. Towards figuring out mounting xD And yeah between the seatbelts and the tilt levers they'll end up on the outside.
hm well they are probly closed today and tomorrow.
And I know where to get the steel but as I work at a machine shop that's closed on the weekend and memorial day, I have a feeling I won't find many places that can help soon.
Too bad most of our scrap is pretty small.
Well I'm gonna try and get those dials off so I can start making any progress I can. Wish me luck, And thanks again for your help.
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Sorry you don't work in our shop... (I have a key) ;)
I'm sure you will get them off.... Heck they could be like Cap-Plugs and grip the shaft once pressed on. (But I doubt it)
When at all else fails GOOGLE How to remove seat adjusters... I kind of looked quickly but didn't see what I thought might help.
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Haha! I do know the owner pretty well but I'm pretty sure as much metal as I'd need would be worth like 400$ from our pile. better off in the yard.
I got the dials off (clips underneath, got em off with my thumbs. DUH), I guess I didn't realize it's the seat frame that is similar to the samurais not the tracks. I'm going to try and make this work and let you guys know how it goes!
Speaking of you guys, You are crazy nice! hope I can nail this.
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Yeah the neon frame is 17" wide or so vs the 15 and like 3/16. Think if I put flat steel cross ways from the stock holes I could bolt the samurai tracks to that though....
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http://bbs.zuwharrie.com/content/topic,39777.0.html (http://bbs.zuwharrie.com/content/topic,39777.0.html)
http://www2.izook.com/?page_id=297 (http://www2.izook.com/?page_id=297)
Hopefully these links will help you out, they helped me out, more so the zuwharrie post since it has more pics... If you are talking ablout the plastic covers you need a TORX bit to unscrew them
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yeah neither of those help for multiple reasons. One my seats don't have that triangle piece on the sliders. Two the frame the sliders bolt to are something like 17 1/2" wide vs the 15 3/16" samurai seat frame. So the samurai tracks won't fit without getting steel and bolting it to the neon frame and drilling holes where the samurai tracks go. And to do that I have to figure out how much higher the right side of the frame is to put spacers on it.
And three there is no cable connecting the slider mechanism in either of those tutorials.
mine are either 00 or 02 seats and I really don't see how this is a bolt on seat... cause I've heard of the same process with 2004. >.<
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Not to be negative, just don't see this being easy at all..
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yeah neither of those help for multiple reasons. One my seats don't have that triangle piece on the sliders. Two the frame the sliders bolt to are something like 17 1/2" wide vs the 15 3/16" samurai seat frame. So the samurai tracks won't fit without getting steel and bolting it to the neon frame and drilling holes where the samurai tracks go. And to do that I have to figure out how much higher the right side of the frame is to put spacers on it.
And three there is no cable connecting the slider mechanism in either of those tutorials.
mine are either 00 or 02 seats and I really don't see how this is a bolt on seat... cause I've heard of the same process with 2004. >.<
Can you post a picture of the seats you got? I cant remember what year I got my seats from but everything was pretty easy. Post pics of the seats and I can hopefully be able to help you out better
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(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-1hQ-TeZ0q3g/T8J41LLEl5I/AAAAAAAAAfw/XUa5PERSo58/s850/2012-05-27_11-52-37_193.jpg)
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-BM7tQiNPnow/T8J46J_WJfI/AAAAAAAAAf4/wRSRcsFMo4w/s849/2012-05-27_11-52-45_160.jpg)
(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-q3KDJA5cFrs/T8J4_Z5VY9I/AAAAAAAAAgA/n6dN3htLZec/s650/2012-05-27_11-52-59_747.jpg)
and the album is here https://plus.google.com/u/0/photos/115148890055038185894/albums/5747288924845990321
Let me know if you want another angle?
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Wow what the hell? Lol that seat is nothing like the seat I got or the tutorials, but I think I see what is going on here.... Can you take a pic of the seat of the side? Preferably with the plastic molding removed? The only part you will be keeping off of the neon seat is the bracket that is keeping the seat together, once you remove that bracket you then weld or bolt on that bracket to the sammi rails
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(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-tmA1pGJtPGA/T8J-XoZACoI/AAAAAAAAAgg/pXkUMVe02h8/s850/2012-05-27_12-17-09_979.jpg)
(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-2w-IkOXHKi8/T8J-dDEIpjI/AAAAAAAAAgo/y396C4NXebg/s849/2012-05-27_12-17-22_890.jpg)
and the album is the same.
And I would get the one pair of seats that Don't work.
If I take the frame off and fit it to the samurai rails then the frame won't fit the seat..?
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(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-tmA1pGJtPGA/T8J-XoZACoI/AAAAAAAAAgg/pXkUMVe02h8/s850/2012-05-27_12-17-09_979.jpg)
(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-2w-IkOXHKi8/T8J-dDEIpjI/AAAAAAAAAgo/y396C4NXebg/s849/2012-05-27_12-17-22_890.jpg)
and the album is the same.
And I would get the one pair of seats that Don't work.
If I take the frame off and fit it to the samurai rails then the frame won't fit the seat..?
Hmm, so that entire metal part is what is holding the seat together I assume.. I dont understand why the seat is so drastically different, I believe I got seats out of a 4dr 03 or 02?
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Well turns out my junk yard will exchange seats because they are all the same price. I'm going back as I type to do just that and Get the right ones, I hope I find ones in as nice of condition! Thank you guys, hopefully won't need to post again!
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and the album is the same.
And I would get the one pair of seats that Don't work.
If I take the frame off and fit it to the samurai rails then the frame won't fit the seat..?
Are you sure of the year neon you got the seats out of? If that metal part is what is holding the seat back and the bottom together then all you would have to do is test fit the sammi rails to the metal bracket on the neon seat and figure out a way to bolt them together but honestly that seat you have is soo drastically different I would probably just take those seats back and get the right ones to begin with. I dont want to tell you to do something and fuck your stuff up.
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Well turns out my junk yard will exchange seats because they are all the same price. I'm going back as I type to do just that and Get the right ones, I hope I find ones in as nice of condition! Thank you guys, hopefully won't need to post again!
You beat me too it lol, yea get the right seats then the links I posted earlier should def help you out cause this is a pretty straightforward swap, and the seats you got now would be a pain to make work.
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think I figured out my problem.. it seems All of the dodge sedans of the 90's look er.. Very similar. xD working on a pair of some dirty but unripped ACTUAL neon seats, thanks again for all your help guys. Sorry to waste your time :(
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Austin,
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-1hQ-TeZ0q3g/T8J41LLEl5I/AAAAAAAAAfw/XUa5PERSo58/s850/2012-05-27_11-52-37_193.jpg)
Why couldn't you use these seats? It appears to me that all of the stuff on the left side (as we see it) needs to be removed to get to a flat surface. It appears to all be metal but I can't tell it's function from the picture. It would seem that once all of this is removed then a piece of flat stock could be inserted on that side in replacement. It could be bolted in or tack welded would be better.
Then if need be you could run flat stock from side to side in order to give you something to attach the frame rails to.
If you like these seats I wouldn't give up on them. Make them work and fab something up to install them.
Sorry they aren't a direct bolt in but that doesn't mean they won't go in. Actually. I thought I read somewhere once that the only direct bolt in seats for a Samurai were Samurai seats. Anything else would need slight to more fabrication for installation.
Don't settle for anything less than what you really want otherwise in the end you will be disappointed... J/M $.02
Tux,,, 8)
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I did not change my seats but I had to relocate them, 6 inch set back. Don't know if this will work for you or not.
(http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e310/grousehunter61/suzki/IMG_6871.jpg)
I used two 1/12 angle iron and bolted them to the old seat location, then re drilled for the seat rails. If need be you could also bolt on a couple more across those for a wider or narrower seat.