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ZUKIWORLD Model Specific Suzuki Forum => Suzuki Samurai (All SJ Platform) 1981-1998 => Topic started by: Godzuki84 on August 16, 2012, 10:19:37 AM
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http://www.roadlessgear.com/Suzuki/p/1665/complete-spring-over-axle-kit-spoa (http://www.roadlessgear.com/Suzuki/p/1665/complete-spring-over-axle-kit-spoa)
Anyone have any opinions about this kit? I was thinking about going this way for the SPOA or getting the kit from lowrange
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Noone really?
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I don't have either but they both look good and the parts look to be almost the same. The lowrange kit doesn't include the high steer kit, you would have to add the sky hight steer to it making it like $15 more than the other, but you get slightly better shocks. Who has the cheaper shipping.
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That is a good kit, it gives you everything you need to safely lift the vehicle with the help of a qualified welder and it has the wrap-around spring pads that make sure your pads are level and give it the extra strength. The other style of pads can be ripped off with excessive axle wrap. I don't see extended brake lines though, which is odd.
For a basic kit I like the Sky Manufacturing Stage 2 kit. You just flip your spring pads so you don't gain any flex but it gives you everything you need to get going and it quite a bit cheaper.
http://www.sky-manufacturing.com/new/detaproduct.php?id=92 (http://www.sky-manufacturing.com/new/detaproduct.php?id=92)
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I don't have either but they both look good and the parts look to be almost the same. The lowrange kit doesn't include the high steer kit, you would have to add the sky hight steer to it making it like $15 more than the other, but you get slightly better shocks. Who has the cheaper shipping.
I think I am leaning towards the roadless gear kit because it includes the OTT, I know it still is not quite complete but yea, Im not sure on shipping and I did hear that the DT3000s are pretty good shocks, not sure on the procomp soft valves, would have to do some research on them I suppose.
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That is a good kit, it gives you everything you need to safely lift the vehicle with the help of a qualified welder and it has the wrap-around spring pads that make sure your pads are level and give it the extra strength. The other style of pads can be ripped off with excessive axle wrap. I don't see extended brake lines though, which is odd.
For a basic kit I like the Sky Manufacturing Stage 2 kit. You just flip your spring pads so you don't gain any flex but it gives you everything you need to get going and it quite a bit cheaper.
[url]http://www.sky-manufacturing.com/new/detaproduct.php?id=92[/url] ([url]http://www.sky-manufacturing.com/new/detaproduct.php?id=92[/url])
But w/o the flex doesnt that almost make a SPOA kinda pointless? I do like the kit for the ground clearance however and yea I dont know why they dont offer extended brake lines, every other kit Ive seen offers the lines, maybe they just didnt add it in the list?
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But w/o the flex doesnt that almost make a SPOA kinda pointless? I do like the kit for the ground clearance however and yea I dont know why they dont offer extended brake lines, every other kit Ive seen offers the lines, maybe they just didnt add it in the list?
Not really, the extra space is for tire clearance and ground clearance. You can always swap in longer shocks later if you want.
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Both kits look to be mostly made up from sky parts, from sky it looks like $564 with everything the other kits have minus shocks. Figure at least $100 for shocks and your in the same price range as the others. For me it would come down to the most complete kit and cheapest shipping.
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Both kits look to be mostly made up from sky parts, from sky it looks like $564 with everything the other kits have minus shocks. Figure at least $100 for shocks and your in the same price range as the others. For me it would come down to the most complete kit and cheapest shipping.
Hmm, just based on the shop locations relative to where I'm located, lowrange would be the cheapest shipping wise but Montana is not too far from CO either... I like the roadless gear kit because they include the OTT but the shocks they use are questionable, however I don't know if either shocks are long travel or not.... with my other car I have learned to do it right the first time, I don't want to swap out parts in the future.
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The Roadless gear kit is the same as the Sky stage 5 kit. http://www.sky-manufacturing.com/new/detaproduct.php?id=94 (http://www.sky-manufacturing.com/new/detaproduct.php?id=94) but $100 cheaper & does include the extended brake lines. Its the one I'm using on my build. When I called Figmo |removethispart||removethispart|@ Roadless he confirmed it was the Sky stage 5.
Good luck.
Edit: You will not receive instructions with either kit so do your homework before you set to installing it & if you have any questions that you can't find answers to about the install let me know... I have mine installed already but haven't driven it yet since my project isn't done.
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The Roadless gear kit is the same as the Sky stage 5 kit. [url]http://www.sky-manufacturing.com/new/detaproduct.php?id=94[/url] ([url]http://www.sky-manufacturing.com/new/detaproduct.php?id=94[/url]) but $100 cheaper & does include the extended brake lines. Its the one I'm using on my build. When I called Figmo |removethispart||removethispart||removethispart|@ Roadless he confirmed it was the Sky stage 5.
Good luck.
Edit: You will not receive instructions with either kit so do your homework before you set to installing it & if you have any questions that you can't find answers to about the install let me know... I have mine installed already but haven't driven it yet since my project isn't done.
Now that I am thinking about it, I might just get the 3" trail gear springs and possibly go RUF in the future as outlined in LRORs website,( http://www.lowrangeoffroad.com/index.php/suzuki/samurai/suspension-parts/trail-gear-3-lift-leaf-springs.html (http://www.lowrangeoffroad.com/index.php/suzuki/samurai/suspension-parts/trail-gear-3-lift-leaf-springs.html) ) I'm just wondering if SPOA will be too much for what I will really be doing with my car? I do like ground clearance but I probably wont be doing extreme rock climbing, but I wont be just doing mild little trails either if that makes sense? Also doing it this way I shouldn't really need to worry about steering correction should I? I also want to run 30" tires and will def go TD in the future, does this all sound good?
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http://www.puresuzuki.com/shackle_reverse.htm (http://www.puresuzuki.com/shackle_reverse.htm) you would keep a better ride with this, I have lift springs and they ride real ruff. rears up front with an spoa would be a good next choice.
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[url]http://www.puresuzuki.com/shackle_reverse.htm[/url] ([url]http://www.puresuzuki.com/shackle_reverse.htm[/url]) you would keep a better ride with this, I have lift springs and they ride real ruff. rears up front with an spoa would be a good next choice.
What lifted springs do you have if you dont mind me asking? Are you running aftermarket shocks or still stock?
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Now that I am thinking about it, I might just get the 3" trail gear springs and possibly go RUF in the future as outlined in LRORs website,( [url]http://www.lowrangeoffroad.com/index.php/suzuki/samurai/suspension-parts/trail-gear-3-lift-leaf-springs.html[/url] ([url]http://www.lowrangeoffroad.com/index.php/suzuki/samurai/suspension-parts/trail-gear-3-lift-leaf-springs.html[/url]) )
Thats exactly what I plan on doing, the main reason being that I don't weld. I understand that lift springs ride rough but so does stock, and if I can get lift and more suspension travel I don't mind a little rough ride. I don't think you should wait to go RUF if you decide to stay spua, using the lifted short front springs would be that much harsher and not allow much more travel.
Trail gear are what I plan on using because of price and lift, lror has good things to say about them. A couple other choices would be OME, probably a better ride but less lift and Deaver springs,same lift as the TG's but better ride, problem is they cost a lot more, only available from rocky road. Some kind of steering correction would still be needed, not sure if a drop pitman arm would be enough, a half ott would still be best. I don't think theres much if any cost savings going that route, doing a RUF kit with new springs etc. could even cost more.
One setup I've seen on another forum that I really like a lot is 2.5" lifted OME YJ's spua.
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The lift springs I have on one of my sammies has some numbers on them I will get them posted tomorrow, the second spring on them has the military wrap on them like in the picture and I have rancho 9000 adjustable about 27" long or so (too long) going to doetsch 3000 when I switch them over to yj's , too bad your not near so oregon I would give them to you for helping me put the yj's in.
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Now that I am thinking about it, I might just get the 3" trail gear springs and possibly go RUF in the future as outlined in LRORs website,( [url]http://www.lowrangeoffroad.com/index.php/suzuki/samurai/suspension-parts/trail-gear-3-lift-leaf-springs.html[/url] ([url]http://www.lowrangeoffroad.com/index.php/suzuki/samurai/suspension-parts/trail-gear-3-lift-leaf-springs.html[/url]) )
Thats exactly what I plan on doing, the main reason being that I don't weld. I understand that lift springs ride rough but so does stock, and if I can get lift and more suspension travel I don't mind a little rough ride. I don't think you should wait to go RUF if you decide to stay spua, using the lifted short front springs would be that much harsher and not allow much more travel.
Trail gear are what I plan on using because of price and lift, lror has good things to say about them. A couple other choices would be OME, probably a better ride but less lift and Deaver springs,same lift as the TG's but better ride, problem is they cost a lot more, only available from rocky road. Some kind of steering correction would still be needed, not sure if a drop pitman arm would be enough, a half ott would still be best. I don't think theres much if any cost savings going that route, doing a RUF kit with new springs etc. could even cost more.
One setup I've seen on another forum that I really like a lot is 2.5" lifted OME YJ's spua.
Yea I don't mind a little rough ride either, I love driving my godzuki around so that probably wont bother me, I would probably do everything at once if I can (ie. the springs, RUF, new shocks either RRs' shocks or DT3000s etc)
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The lift springs I have on one of my sammies has some numbers on them I will get them posted tomorrow, the second spring on them has the military wrap on them like in the picture and I have rancho 9000 adjustable about 27" long or so (too long) going to doetsch 3000 when I switch them over to yj's , too bad your not near so oregon I would give them to you for helping me put the yj's in.
Free.99 is always a great price lol, I would be down to help for sure too
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looks like calmini springs. looks like the heavy duty ones also, no wonder they beat me up!
Size/Location Part Number Price Price w/Bushings
0" H.D. Flat Spring Front SS1545F COMING SOON $109.95 $119.95
0" H.D. Flat Spring Rear SS1545R COMING SOON $109.95 $119.95
1.5" Front Spring SS1540F $109.95 $119.95
1.5" Rear Spring SS1540R $109.95 $119.95
3" Front Spring SS1550F $109.95 $119.95
3" Rear Spring SS1550R $109.95 $119.95
3" H.D. Front Spring SS1570F $109.95 $119.95
3" H.D. Rear Spring SS1570R $109.95 $119.95
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Now that I am thinking about it, I might just get the 3" trail gear springs and possibly go RUF in the future as outlined in LRORs website,( [url]http://www.lowrangeoffroad.com/index.php/suzuki/samurai/suspension-parts/trail-gear-3-lift-leaf-springs.html[/url] ([url]http://www.lowrangeoffroad.com/index.php/suzuki/samurai/suspension-parts/trail-gear-3-lift-leaf-springs.html[/url]) ) I'm just wondering if SPOA will be too much for what I will really be doing with my car? I do like ground clearance but I probably wont be doing extreme rock climbing, but I wont be just doing mild little trails either if that makes sense? Also doing it this way I shouldn't really need to worry about steering correction should I? I also want to run 30" tires and will def go TD in the future, does this all sound good?
The SPOA is gonna give more articulation just because it mounts under the spring & changes the amount of leverage that it places on the springs. The SPOA is ideal for a 31" or less tire & to fit the 31" you'll still need to trim the bumper just a bit. As for the steering correction... I'm not positive but even going 3" is going to change the angle of the steering link & may still give you bump steer.
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this rig has four stock rear springs on it with the rear springs having an extra rear main leaf added with the eyes cut off of the ends, I run 30x9.5's on it for towing and I have three different sets of 33'' tires for it, it gets about 24'' of articulation limited only by the small shocks on it, the 30's are to small to air down but the 33's ride nice when aired down,you have to bend or hammer the body seam over flat to clear the 33's but i run them more than the 30's,just spoa with the ruff kit and a trail tough upper steering arm. which one looks more natural to you?
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this rig has four stock rear springs on it with the rear springs having an extra rear main leaf added with the eyes cut off of the ends, I run 30x9.5's on it for towing and I have three different sets of 33'' tires for it, it gets about 24'' of articulation limited only by the small shocks on it, the 30's are to small to air down but the 33's ride nice when aired down,you have to bend or hammer the body seam over flat to clear the 33's but i run them more than the 30's,just spoa with the ruff kit and a trail tough upper steering arm. which one looks more natural to you?
Man the 30s look small lol, I wanted the 30s to avoid having to get gearing done but It was something I planned to do anyways... man 4x4 is a lot more expensive of a world than car modding lol, so many plans so little money :(
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And also I didn't know you could just run all four rear springs, the front springs are not needed at all then? You can just chuck em for scrap? If that is the case then I will probably get the 3" lift springs all rears with the RUF kit, a new stabilizer and not really sure what other steering correction w/either Rocky Roads shocks or DT3000s, should be plenty good for me then.... now I just need to win the lotto and/or get a better paying job lol
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you should try building four samurai's at once.Lol
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you should try building four samurai's at once.Lol
Give me some money that you obviously have plenty of lol
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I used to have money until I moved to Oregon, how you make a small fortune in southern oregon is to move here with a large one. Lol I still have a four seat sand rail from yester year rotting out in the barn that ran eleven seconds in the quarter mile, I have way more money into it than all of my other rigs so it is all relevant to how much money you make at the time, I probably spend about 2k a year on 4x4 stuff now I just don't have the money for the traveling circus that I used to take with me when I went camping for two weeks at a time, those days are over unless I hit the lottery again! now I drive a sammie pulling a small 4'x6' home made tent trailer.