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ZUKIWORLD Discussion Forum => Technical Discussion - Beginner / Repair => Topic started by: tombstone on September 24, 2012, 05:38:49 PM
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Thinkin about buying a 4500 Lbs winch from Tractor Supply for $180,for the Samurai...thoughts?? :-\
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i would get a badlands 6000 when they go onsale at harborfreight. thats what i run and it works great havnt had any problems. no complaints from me i love having it
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Depends on how you use or abuse it. Light pulls only might be okay. 6k would be my minimum choice. I run an 8K and I don't worry much about what I am pulling on. I have more problems anchoring down since most stuff I pull out is heavier.
I use mine in the woods, mud, creekbeds, snow.
4500 is pretty light... It might be fine for a sammi only or similar but you can max that out pretty quick if you are dead weight stuck. Worse yet if you attempt to pull out someone heavier who is dead weight stuck.
Unless you use block & tackle lines and double your pulling capacity.
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OK you talked my into it...think I'm going with the 5000 Lbs from Harbour Frirght for $200!!Thanks.
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i run a 8k on my sidekick but before i had that i had to get pulled out by the 6k and i was rails deep and its a 4 door. it had a strugle but it did it and had a bad smell with it to haha thought i burnt it up. i think that if your just using it to get your self unstuck youll be fine. i would get a snatch block and call it good. i mean after all ive seen guys with a 2500lb quad winch and manage but barrely
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I would also recommend a snatch block if at all possible. 5000 pounds is still marginal for a stuck in the mud Sami. Anything larger that you will pull will be a lot heavier. You will also need to find a way to anchor your Sami if you have to pull a buddy.
Rob
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Sounds great guys,and a "snatch block" will be "on board" too!!
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One of the reasons I went with an 8,000 lb. winch vs. a 6,000 or even 4,500 lb. winch is so I could also pull other vehicles out.
- Andy
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thats why i went with the 8k on my kick to
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I'm running a 9K Lb winch on the car hauler, and it is just able to do what
I need, I'm going to replace it with a 12K when it dies, when it comes to
a winch, bigger is much better, and you will be glad you did big when you
get really stuck, or have to pull someone else out of the goo
Wild
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I got the biggest winch I could fit in my Calmini front bumper at the time, a Warn 6000. I've found it can pull much more than it seems rated for, like a stuck up to the frame rails Jeep Rubicon up a hill out of deep wet sand. A snatch block is always a good idea. If I come across something/someone that looks too big for me to pull out, I just make my apologies and offer my cell phone to them. Or ask for a $750 cash deposit. ;)
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OK you talked my into it...think I'm going with the 5000 Lbs from Harbour Frirght for $200!!Thanks.
I bought the badlands 8 or 9k version. Although I realized it may not be as well made as the other name brands. Wait on the sales ad in the newspaper and get 20% off, then buy the warranty for $20 and its hard to go wrong. This thing will pull the sami up a tree. I think the extra $100 for the 8/9k is worth the money.
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Good advice,was kinda leanin towards the "nylon rope" 'cause it would wiegh MUCH LESS than steel cable,but damn I think its twice as much money!!Might go with a affordable 6k winch...I'm gettin there!! ;)
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Heres a scary deal,pulled my 3K car up onto my trailer...with a tiny 3K winch!!Doubled the line through a (chrome) clevis!!Worked just fine,slow but fine.
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Pulling a "rolling" vehicle is one thing - pulling a stuck vehicle is another. Ever stepped into a mudhole and then tried to free your boot? If you have then you know how much "suction" mud is capable of, now imagine a 3500lb vehicle up to the floor pan in mud.
A winch rated for a 3000 lb pull is supposedly capable of LIFTING 3000 lbs, so pulling a 3000 lb vehicle up a ramp, even without doubling the line should be possible.
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Yes,I see your point.Guess my issue was the damn trailer is NOT a "deck-over",I consider it a low-boy because the deck sits a bit lower than the tires BUT that damn car has a low long plastic facia so I have to jack the front of the trailer UP and ADD boards to my short ramps,so that winch had to pull up steep ramps and UP-HILL!I am going with a heavier winch for the Samurai,its all good.
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LOL... I understand... I used a 3500 winch on my old car hauler and abused the crap outta it...
But nothing like the 4wd vehicles that were buried to the frame rails in God Forsaken holes that I had to almost swim thru to get to the truck and then had to feel my way thru to find a winch point.
In the world of off roading 1 constant variable is never say never because it will happen. A person can say I"I will NEVER do that..." But , just like a Psychologist friend of mine says in rebuttal.... "We don't know that..." and he is Always rite... ;)
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I must be gettin forgetful....when a winch is used "double-Line" its twice as SLOW,thats right??
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I must be gettin forgetful....when a winch is used "double-Line" its twice as SLOW,thats right??
Correct, because the line is going out to the location then doubling back to your winch point by use of a snatch block. So you are actually covering the same amount of distance with twice the amount of cable.
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I must be gettin forgetful....when a winch is used "double-Line" its twice as SLOW,thats right??
That's actually an interesting question ...
If the line speed is constant, then yes, double line will take twice as long to cover the same distance - but - many winches will pull faster with a reduced load - here's the line speed specs for a Warn Tabor 8K ...
0 lbs - 29.0 ft/min
2000 lbs - 14.2 ft/min
4000 lbs - 9.9 ft/min
6000 lbs - 7.3 ft/min
8000 lbs - 4.8 ft/min
For the sake of discussion - an 8000 lb single line pull will be 4.8 ft/min, an 8000 lb double line pull will be 4000 lb or 9.9 ft/min divided by 2 or 4.45 ft/min, a 4000 lb single line pull would be 9.9 ft/min, the same 4000 lb with double line is 2000 lbs, so 14.2 ft/min divided by 2 or 7.1 ft/min, so whilst it's slower, is it that much slower?
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Fordem, it's all slow goin when your stuck isn't it? :laugh:
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I just bought the SmittyBilt 8K for mine. It was $350 with a lifetime warranty (caught it on sale). Have used it several times and love it. Always better to go bigger. Whats the use in having a winch if youve got to hope it will get you out of a bad spot?
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Fordem, it's all slow goin when your stuck isn't it? :laugh:
Nah - when I'm stuck it's NO goin - no winch - yet -been doing my research though.
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I do not have a winch on my sidekick and have gotten stuck a few times, but have gotten out rather easily,,,,with a come-along.
Sure it takes a bit of manpower to use, but is cheaper, lighter to lug around and VERY versatile. I have seen them work in locations and instances where a vehicle mounted winch is beyond useless, LOL
And in a group setting having a come-along in addition to electric winchs really opens up recovery possibilities.
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Lol - I do have a come-along, which I have used a couple of times, but never to retrieve my vehicle.
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This is the one I have, 4 ton/8000lbs, along with a 3' piece of pipe as a handle extension, best of all it costs 50$, better than having nothing at all! LOL http://www.northerntool.com/shop/tools/product_200511810_200511810 (http://www.northerntool.com/shop/tools/product_200511810_200511810)
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Love the come-along,I would use it.Only issue with a come-along is they give you (maybe) 8 feet of cable.But I usually am at a local hole with several trucks that have straps,I very rarely go off alone where I could get buried.I am still gettin a winch though!
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E-bay has a 9000 lb. Vortex winch with free shipping for $299.00. The 8000 lb. for $279.00... I have heard they are good winches. I am planning to buy one in the next day or so.
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Update...Well damn,decided to go with the 4500 winch from Tractor Supply,called they had (1) in stock.Drove about a hour there...it had been SOLD!!So ended up buying the $100 3000 winch,seems heavy enouph for my Samurai.Came with heavy chrome "D" ring,snatch block.
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Consider the weight over front end. (replace steel cable helps). I cut into sub. frame to move mine back. Also i agree with the 9000lb. due to the pulling power is affected buy each roll of the cable. For example, the 1st is reel of cable on the winch is not the same as the second, and so on. Sure you can add a pully to increase pulling power but then you have less cable to reach with. And yes you can bring more cable/pull straps. Just know what your getting into. I paid 325.00 for mine at Harbor.
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Consider the weight over front end. (replace steel cable helps). I cut into sub. frame to move mine back. Also i agree with the 9000lb. due to the pulling power is affected buy each roll of the cable. For example, the 1st is reel of cable on the winch is not the same as the second, and so on. Sure you can add a pully to increase pulling power but then you have less cable to reach with. And yes you can bring more cable/pull straps. Just know what your getting into. I paid 325.00 for mine at Harbor.
And yes know what you are getting into.
I got a used Harbor Freight 8k winch w/bad motor $100, replaced motor $100 and have pulled 2 jeeps, 1 Sami, and saved myself twice. And then I pulled 5 - 40 ft bridges (made out of 2-6" & 1-3" pipe) in place over a small stream. (It beat building them in place.) And only one bridge touched the water once.
Used a snatch block, chain, and two tow straps, along with the winch cable.
Posted by: tombstone
In the world of off roading 1 constant variable is never say never because it will happen. A person can say I"I will NEVER do that..." But , just like a Psychologist friend of mine says in rebuttal.... "We don't know that..." and he is Always rite... Wink
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Hmmmn.... a 3000 lb winch.... Good Luck with your purchase ..... I hope it works for you.... :o
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I had a 4500 Runva winch, some chinese remake of warn, they say even the parts all fit from warn, got it for $130... First thing I took it to a trail it pulled me out like 4 times and then the gears broke and the cable ripped. Now I run 6000 Badlands, works much better 8)
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hers my 8000lb csi. i was told that there the same as a warn and so far its been great her is where it had to pull me out of
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One thing to keep in mind when thinking of single or double snatching some of these
light duty winches is cable size. Even though the winch pull can be doubled or even tripled
the small diameter cable 1/4 even 3/16 isnt any stronger. Over pulling and breaking cable can
hurt you bad...just a thought. When it comes to recovery equiptment Safey = Quality
Warn M8000 5/16 cable minunim for me.
ZZZZZZZZ
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Think about this - for the sake of discussion, let's say you have a 4000lb winch, and a snatch block, you double the cable, so you have an 8000lb pull - what's the load on the cable?
8000lb pull, doubled cable, so each of the two cables will see a 4000lb load - the only thing that's going to see an 8000lb load is whatever you used to attach the snatch block to the anchor point, and the anchor point itself.
Match the cable's working load rating to the winch capacity and you'll be fine.