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ZUKIWORLD Discussion Forum => Suzuki 4x4 Forum => Topic started by: explosivo on March 20, 2004, 01:07:02 PM
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I've heard it mentioned a couple times here... what is it exactly?
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its when you rotate you pinon upword to get your driveshaft stright with the pinon. it will also incease flex if you do it with F-150 shocks. If you go to "Article Archive" you can go down to the tech section and see how its done. its in the small section on the right side with HAGEN on top.
stu
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thanks :)
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no prob. i have been wanting to do it for a while now just haven't had the time.
Stu
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You should never point the pinion at the t-case output unless you intend to either put a cv shaft on the rear or purchase alot of u-joints. Yes you get less bind under droop but with a standard shaft you will eat joints, on a regular basis.
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but what about the front tracker drive shaft. it is pointed right at the output and doesn't have any vibes or u-joint ware probs. i'm i missing somthing?
stu
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What Rockrat is trying to say is that your diveline angles must match if your using a standard one u-joint each end driveshaft. Another words if the transfer case to diveshaft angle is 15 degrees, then the other end needs to be -15 or -17 degrees. If you run a double cardan joint (cv) then you must make it 0 or -2 degrees at the rear.
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Ya, That sounds like a mis-stated piece
of information, the Axle Rotation corrects
the effect of the lift on the U-Joints, reducing
the angle of the U-joints, which helps their
life.
The rotation I did keeps the pinion pointed at
the output on the trans at all stages of extension
and compression, and offers a little more clearance
for bigger tires, adds about 1 inch, maybe more.
Wild
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i think the article is about
OVER-ROTATING THE DIFF. up!
not rotating it straight at the t-case .point the diff slightly above the t-case and set proper u-joint angles .
I THINK ?
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Always set the pinion a dgree or 2 below the output, that cancels out spring wrap which will turn the pinion into alignment.. Never above the output
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Spring wrap on a trackick? ::) I would never do this on a sami because of the spring wrap but a trackick is 3 link. Their is no spring wrap. Ive been doing it for 5 years and almost 300,000 miles between my two Trackers... I can assure you it doesnt eat u joints, axle bearings, Ring or pinions or anything of the kind. All RPM Trackers have their rear axles over rotated as shown in the artical. Not one Tracker has had a single u joint go bad or anything remotely related to this mod. I recomend this mod to everyone with a lifted trackick.
Mike
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im totaly confused after reading this thread..i need to go soak my brain now lol
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LISTEN TO WHAT MIKE HAS TO SAY...HE'S BEEN DOING THEM FOR LONG TIME NOW AS HE STATES WITH NO PROBLEMS......I'D DONE IT BY NOW BUT ONLY HIGH PRICE BUILDERS AROUND HERE...AND THE ZUKE FUND IS BOTTOMED OUT STILL :(
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we have conflicting storys???? whos right? i vote mike.
Stu
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where is that hagen artical i cant find it ???
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Here it is.
http://www.zukiworld.com/month_100102/feature_hagans_rearrotate.htm
I plan on doing this mod as soon as I get my front end fixed, and when I have enough money to buy the new shocks.
Then I'm gonna convince Mac to do it when he sees how Kick |removethispart|@$$ my truck will be  :P
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right on dude, looks prety strait forward, also the other day i was lookin at detailed instructions and pics of a coil lift i cant seem to find nothin on this site ne more, ne one got the link? ???
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Theres this one...
http://www.zukiworld.com/month_030104/feature_sidekickbudgetlift.htm
There may be more in here...
http://www.zukiworld.com/main_departments_archive.htm
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I had many people tell me not to do the rotation due to "Vibration, Joint wear and Bearing Problems" :-/. I took Mikes advice and did it any way ;) I have no vibration (let me insert noticable hear) :P and I drive my Kick to most every ride I attend at interstate speeds up to 70-75 MPH. I have not trashed any U-Joints and I am still running a old spare drive shaft the Mike gave me at the Melt (2 years ago) that probably should of had the joints replaced by now, but they are still holding up fine. My point is that real world testing and use is better to go by than theroy and this mod has been extensivly tested by Mike and the RPM guys. Listen to Mike, he wont steer you wrong ;)
Zig
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Spring wrap on a trackick? ::) I...
Mike
Yah, it can happen.
I'm expecting that we'll have spring wrap on our Kick.
;D
~Nate
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Yah, it can happen.
I'm expecting that we'll have spring wrap on our Kick.
;D
~Nate
;DYea but you cheated ;D
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;DYea but you cheated ;D
did i miss somthing???
Stu
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They went to leaf springs.
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oh
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Yah, it can happen.
I'm expecting that we'll have spring wrap on our Kick.
;D
~Nate
hey shouldn't you be finishing that kick for moab ;) ....... now stop chatting and start working or heathers gonnna :-X...............
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 did i miss somthing???
Stu
now i know you must have read all the good posts they have had on here about there conversion & ott3 setup ...i think you must be sleeping at your p.c. ;D
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now i know you must have read all the good posts they have had on here  about there conversion & ott3 setup ...i think you must be sleeping at your p.c.  ;D ÂÂ
no i just forgot she was going leafs all the way around.
Stu
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OH OK.......... ;D
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i think they mean over-rotate as in this . is this right ???
(http://www.kielbassa.com/pictures/Geometry.jpg)
(http://www.kielbassa.com/pictures/angles.jpg)
rotate just above center .
Jake
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I like #2. gets the drive shaft way out of the way. but what if we don't have a cardan shaft?
Stu
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THESE PICS ARE OF A REGULAR SHAFT THE ONE IN YOUR
VEHICLE  , SINGLE CARDON ,NOT DOUBLE CARDON (CV)
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Thanks for adding the pics to this thread Jake. I was kind of suprised to see it labeled correct. Ive always been told this was wrong... but it made sence in my head so I did it anyway.
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Well,I m ready to make the mod but when I tried to order the F150 shocks,they asked me,which year's model I want shocks for ? I remember they told me that there are at least 2 Rancho codes,and 3 more codes of other manufacturers.Which ones should I order ?Anyone knows the excact product code I should get ?
And also shock mounts ? any specific options or should I make custom ones ?
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Mikes article says he used a 99 ford F 150 4x4
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I just made my lower mount. I ground off the old mount and welded a new bolt style mount in the new location. I think Mike uses Monroe shocks but I'm not posative. When my Calmini shocks go bad I plan on getting RS9000's for mine.
Zig
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Mikes article says he used a 99 ford F 150 4x4
Yes ,I did mention that,but the salesman insisted that there are 4-5 product codes.I dont know the Ford F150 cause its not imported in Greece,but maybe there is a variety in F150 99 models.He mentioned 3 product names for shocks.Rancho and 2 more.Anyway,thanks
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I just made my lower mount. I ground off the old mount and welded a new bolt style mount in the new location. I think Mike uses Monroe shocks but I'm not posative. When my Calmini shocks go bad I plan on getting RS9000's for mine.
Zig
o.k I guess I ll make my own custom shock mounts too.Also a friend told me that the Calmini shocks are Rancho,but I dont know which model.So the RS9000 are longer than the ones Calmini uses?
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Yes. The Rancho 9000s are longer. It only gives ya about 4 inches of up travel.
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The problem I ran into is comperssion length of the shocks without moving the upper mount. I have the Calmini shocks mounted where the springs fully compress 1/4" before the shock bottems out. I think I'm going to try and relocate the upper mount with the longer 9000's when my shocks blow out.
Zig
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The problem I ran into is comperssion length of the shocks without moving the upper mount. I have the Calmini shocks mounted where the springs fully compress 1/4" before the shock bottems out. I think I'm going to try and relocate the upper mount with the longer 9000's when my shocks blow out.
Zig
Thats my plan too, Soon.