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ZUKIWORLD Discussion Forum => Suzuki 4x4 Forum => Topic started by: shoyrtt on March 31, 2004, 06:25:15 AM
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I am considering installing a second transfer case or a Klune drive to lower the crawl speed of my Sami. The Klune drive appears to be the clean and easy way to do it, but the Samurai kit offered by most of the Zuk vendors is about $2,500 with shipping. :P Has anyone out there somehow installed a second Samurai t-case (or other configuration) as a low cost alternative? I have checked some of the do-it-yourself articles on the web, but can't find any reference to the install of a Klune drive or a second t-case.
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thats all i have to say
stu
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I am considering installing a second transfer case or a Klune drive to lower the crawl speed of my Sami. The Klune drive appears to be the clean and easy way to do it, but the Samurai kit offered by most of the Zuk vendors is about $2,500 with shipping. :P Has anyone out there somehow installed a second Samurai t-case (or other configuration) as a low cost alternative? I have checked some of the do-it-yourself articles on the web, but can't find any reference to the install of a Klune drive or a second t-case.
I'm not sure the Klune setup is still available for the Suzuki. Have you gotten a recent price/availability quote? As far as finding a article on the web, I don't think there has been a completed published document on a dual case set up. There have been a few blurbs and pics on some forums but nothing archive and really accessible. Like Stu said, maybe a search on OTT will yield some positive results for you.
Good Luck, -Eric
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ftp://http://www.ottindustries.com/gearing.htm
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I looked at the OTT site but their applications all involve the Sidekick/Tracker 1600 mounted to the same trans and t-case ultimately to the Sami t-case. I know I should consider the swap, but my Sami is not my daily driver and I don't really expect to go fast in it (no drag races with wild's turbo kick). ;)
RRO has the Klune drive listed with the Sami kit at $2,500+
http://www.rocky-road.com/klune.html
Klune has info on the Sami kit on it's web site and directs to distributors including Petroworks.
How about this possibility. :-/ Can I keep the stock Sami motor for now and run the kick trans and t-case from OTT?
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what about a kicker 3?
The kicker 3â„¢ will allow the Suzuki Samurai owner to mate his Samurai transfercase directly to sidekick low-range gearbox
http://www.ottindustries.com/kicker3.htm
stu
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I looked at the OTT site but their applications all involve the Sidekick/Tracker 1600 mounted to the same trans and t-case ultimately to the Sami t-case. I know I should consider the swap, but my Sami is not my daily driver and I don't really expect to go fast in it (no drag races with wild's turbo kick). ;)
RRO has the Klune drive listed with the Sami kit at $2,500+
[url]http://www.rocky-road.com/klune.html[/url]
Klune has info on the Sami kit on it's web site and directs to distributors including Petroworks.
How about this possibility. :-/  Can I keep the stock Sami motor for now and run the kick trans and t-case from OTT?
you could install a 1.6 and Kicker3 cheaper then buying a Klune (if you can find one).
You can use SOS's Lucky 13 to mate you 1.3 to a Tracker transmission and Kicker3
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16V 1.6L, kick T-case, and a Heather
T-case knockoff from OTT, that would
do the trick ;)
Wild
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Right from the OTT site.  They rework a Trackick t-case that will bolt to your Sami trans, and then bolt your Sami t-case to the Trackick t-case.
From OTT:
The kicker 3â„¢ will allow the Suzuki Samurai owner to mate his Samurai transfercase directly to sidekick lowrange gearbox.
This adapter aligns and supports the Samurai transfer case under the truck.
Now the Samurai owner can pack a lot of drivetrain under a short wheelbase truck.
Adapter manufacturer to leave transfer case in stock location. ideal for the short wheelbase truck.
(http://www.ottindustries.com/kicker%20three%20cutout.jpg)
(http://www.ottindustries.com/kicker3side.jpg)
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(16V 1.6L, kick T-case, and a Heather
T-case knockoff from OTT, )
what is a heather t-case who makes it and where do i find one
thanks greg
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(16V 1.6L, kick T-case, and a Heather ÂÂ
T-case knockoff from OTT, )
what is a heather t-case who makes it and where do i find one
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 thanks greg
LOL Heather is a woman in this forum who has a hardcore 4 door. i'm sure she'll tell you more about it than i know so i'll let her.
stu
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thanks i got it now just saw the install just had to search a litte
thanks greg
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I'm a t-case? ???
;D
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I hear you got a nice pair of T-cases  :o
;D
Wild
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Due to the 3rd generation's electronic speedometer, it would be difficult to use anything other than the stock t-case. I've just purchased a Toyota case real cheap. I'd like to place this between the auto tranny (4-sp) of the X and the stock t-case to get my low gearing down.
I've got more research to do, but if the X's speedo is programmable, I should be able to 'correct' it for which size tires I'm running.
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have you check out this product from
http://www.trailtough.com/default.htm
The "Rock Block" is a simple, compact gear reduction unit for the gearing needs of today's extreme off-road enthusiast. This unit is a serious MUST-HAVE for the rock crawler! It has not only a 1:816 ratio but a straight through 1:1 as well. In combination with your Samurai transfer case, it can be used for an instant 2-low AND can almost double your transfer cases current low range gearing! Your Samurai will now have 4 selectable gear ranges! This unit is very simple to install - takes approximately 20 minutes. It simply replaces the intermediate drive shaft. It comes with a new removable cross member which includes a full-circle unbreakable rear transmission mount and block mount.
Item #ROC-400 Price 1350.00
Core charge $100.00 (intermediate drive shaft core required)
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Gang,
After having 2 whole days to play with the OTT Kicker 3 installed with the Calmini 4.24 gears... I can honestly say that having ultra low gears is very cool.
(why didn't somebody convince me to do this earlier is beyond me).
So besides the fact that there are several options for us Suzuki folks, if anybody has a chance to install lower gears of any kind, DO IT!
Axle breaking excitement at .5mph,
~Nate
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Kerrywittig:
With the SOS setup will I need to make mods to the wheelbase? Can you direct me to any other info on the install etc? :D
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Gang,
After having 2 whole days to play with the OTT Kicker 3 installed with the Calmini 4.24 gears...  I can honestly say that having ultra low gears is very cool. ÂÂ
(why didn't somebody convince me to do this earlier is beyond me).
So besides the fact that there are several options for us Suzuki folks, if anybody has a chance to install lower gears of any kind, DO IT!
Axle breaking excitement at .5mph,
~Nate
I tried....but nooo, you just wouldn't listen, eh!
Hehe!
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Kerrywittig:
With the SOS setup will I need to make mods to the wheelbase? Can you direct me to any other info on the install etc? :D
Try using the SOS Ringer with the kick trans and kicker3 and the sammy case, the drivetrain length will remain unchanged but unlimited benefits and mechanical advantages. Such as.... larger clutch and flywheel, stronger transmission with a lower (3.8:1 vs 3.5:1) first gear, no intermediate shaft (less u-joints), 3 sets of low range!
And the possibility of putting the 1.6 into your sammy without having to buy the bellhousing adaptor for installation.....another big plus!
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Due to the 3rd generation's electronic speedometer, it would be difficult to use anything other than the stock t-case. I've just purchased a Toyota case real cheap. I'd like to place this between the auto tranny (4-sp) of the X and the stock t-case to get my low gearing down.
I've got more research to do, but if the X's speedo is programmable, I should be able to 'correct' it for which size tires I'm running.
Noone to my knowledge, makes any kind of adaptor to put the toy in front of the XL-7 or GV t-case.
How does the electronic speed sensor hook to the t-case? Is your case where the sensor is similar to the kick case? if so, use the kicker setup and be happy!
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Just put the RingR in with Toy trans and case and be done with it. here is a pic of the 16v mated via RingR to a toy trans and case with a doubler toy case behind it.
If you dont have a 16v and only a 1.3 that can be  done also via LUCKY13 to mate the 1.3 to the kick bell
(http://photos.zuwharrie.com/users/rockrat/motor_in_complete.jpg)
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Rockrat:
"RingR" ??? ??? "Lucky13" ??? ???
Who do I contact? What does it cost? How hard is it to install (for the mere mortals)? With your fabrication skills, did you need to replace the crossmembers or driveshaft lengths?
Thanks for the help.
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That would be Kerry, he posted on the first
page, SOS flashing in his pic
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Rockrat:
"RingR"  ??? ??? "Lucky13"  ???  ???
Who do I contact? What does it cost? How hard is it to install (for the mere mortals)? With your fabrication skills, did you need to replace the crossmembers or driveshaft lengths?
Thanks for the help.
you can contact myself or Kerry I am the dealer for both products.
847-544-1823 and we can go over everything you would have to do
-Scott
its also on my website
www.rock4xfabrication.com
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Why not just get a Trail Tough Rock Block. It will double your crawl ratioo and it is a direct bolt it in place of your intermediate driveshaft. Check it out ;) Price is 1350. WAY cheaper than a Klune. I have driven a sammi with a 6:1 t-case, 5.12 r&p, and a Rock block. I am still amazed at how low that thing was!!! :o
http://www.trailtough.com/transfercase_driveshaft.htm
(http://www.trailtough.com/images/2to14.jpg)
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I hear you got a nice pair of T-cases  :o
;D
Wild
PICTURES :o PICTURES ::) YALL KNOW I LOVE PICTURES ;D HOW ELSE WOULD I KNOW WHAT YOUR TALKING ABOUT ;) ;D MATTY D. :-[
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PICTURES  :o  PICTURES  ::)  YALL KNOW I LOVE PICTURES  ;D  HOW ELSE WOULD I KNOW WHAT YOUR TALKING ABOUT  ;)  ;D  MATTY D.  :-[
Do you finger paint? lol I don't know...
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Gang,
After having 2 whole days to play with the OTT Kicker 3 installed with the Calmini 4.24 gears...  I can honestly say that having ultra low gears is very cool. ÂÂ
~Nate
Nate,
  I have just realized that the Sammy T-case offers the perfect Hi-range gear correction for my 34x10.50-15 Swamper LTB's on my 1994 4-dr.  I see that you are running this with the OTT Kicker 3  on your truck (But with 4.24:1's.).  How do you correct for the off set rear drive shaft.  ANy tricks, or just run a CV shaft and cross your fingers?
Using GV auto tranny Specs: (I couldn't find the kick ones)
2793.4 RPM |removethispart|@ 60mph with 27 in 4th (Auto,  in OD)
2742.6 rpm |removethispart|@ 60 mph with 34 in OD with sammy T-case
3826.6 RPM |removethispart|@ 60mph with 27 in 3rd (Auto, Not in OD)
3130.9 RPM |removethispart|@ 60mph with 34 in 3rd (Auto, Not in OD)
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YOU MAY NOY GET A REPLY FROM NATE QUICKLY. CAUSE I THINK THERE OFFF TO MOAB OR SOON TO BE. SO IF YOU DONT BUMP THIS AFTER MOAB ;D MATTY D. ;D