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ZUKIWORLD Discussion Forum => Suzuki 4x4 Forum => Topic started by: explosivo on March 31, 2004, 03:31:50 PM
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Alrighty, my current tires (used, $100 for all four) are a little bit deficient in the mud. They do alright, but I need to replace them sometime this summer/fall. What I need is a 33x12.50 (or wider) tire that is primarily for the mud. I'll probably never see any rocks unless I trailer it far, far away. Possibly sand, but that's it. My rig is also my daily driver (for the time being), so they have to be able to be driven on the road (road noise and vibration aren't issues, I just want to drive it on pavement periodically without ruining my tires).
I need suggestions. Help is appreciated. :)
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my bro is running firestone destination, 33x12.5, he loves them, they are good for mud, snow, and soem rock i think, they are best in their class for pavemnt driving, (tread ware) his truck is mostly drivin on road, when he has time he goes off road, he loves the tires tho.
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My radial tsl's kicked some mud on last weeks run, I like them 8)
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How are Super Swamper TSL's/Radial TSL's for tread wear?
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Mike said he drove a set to Hell and Back,
and had enough tread to sell them to a
club member.
OK I'm paraphrasing here, but they are
great on and off the road, a little pricey
but wear excellent on and off road.
Wild
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Mac has 32x9.5 bias, SS TSL's.
He’s been running them for a few months and they look brand new.
Sidekicks are light enough vehicles that you don't need to worry about tread wear too much when it comes to an aggressive tire like a Super Swamper.
His only complaint is that they are pretty noisy on the highway. They like to Hummmmmmmmmmmmmm.
My next tire is gonna be a Super Swamper for sure.
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Ya, Swampers Rock ..... uhh ...... Er ... Mud ;D
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what do a set of super swampers usually cost?
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Lots! ;D
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Radials 150-170 ea.
Bias 125
check out prices and styles at
www.tyres1.com
click tires and select the ones you like,
these prices are a good way to check the
local shops for good pricing.
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thanks kreg, big help hahahaha lol ;D :D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Which are the better ones to buy: radial or bias ply? What are the benefits and drawbacks of each?
(sorry, I'm a tire n00b)
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I drove mine this winter on hwy at about 9psi put on an extra 4000 miles for a total of 4800 and they are just now starting to show some signs of wear, they still look like they have an inch and a half left ;D
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Radials are smooth running, long tread life tires.
Bias are very tough for offroad, heavy sidewalls
but the tread life is shorter, like 30-35K miles,
and they get flat spots when parked until they
round out again (get warm)
Wild
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How much of a difference is there in offroad performance between the bias-ply and radials? Is the longer tire tread enough to pay the extra $40-50?
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Doesn't anyone us BFGoodrich in the States? They last pretty long and have good pavement manners. Just don't get the A/Ts. Their not good for anyhing.
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Hey wild goody, you would of been proud of me on the last heep run that I went on, 16 valve at 6k spinning tsl's in three feet of mud where guys with 40's just went through and the 38.5's got stuck behind me ;D
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Doesn't anyone us BFGoodrich  in  the States? They last pretty long and have good pavement manners.  Just don't get the A/Ts.  Their not good for anyhing.
How do BFG Mud Terrains compare with TSL's?
My only concern about driving on the road is that I don't want to wear the tread away, but I want maximum grip in the mud/on the trail.
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I have run mt's for about twenty years because I used to get them for 85.00 ea. deliverd for 35's, I still have a set of at's ko's and I like them for powdered snow and sand with the air out of them but the mt's are real hard to beat for all around and some have stud holes in them.(I have two stud guns and a coats 40 40 and a spin balancer) I sipped my last set they did as good as the studs for going streight, I could not hardly get home befor I had it done.
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How much of a difference is there in offroad performance between the bias-ply and radials? Is the longer tire tread enough to pay the extra $40-50?
I know you can air down the bias ply tires a lot more than a radial tire, because of the thick soft sidewall.
I remember someone on this board said that they run their Bias TSLs at 0psi and they dont pop any beads. Thats pretty sweet if you ask me.
Doesn't anyone us BFGoodrich in the States? They last pretty long and have good pavement manners. Just don't get the A/Ts. Their not good for anyhing.
I got 31" BFG mudders, and I've got no complaints. They clean out real good and they have reasonable traction. Hehe my dashboard is always covered in mud when I come home from a day of wheeling because of the back tires cleaning out. ;D
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I feel that the tsl's clean with less horse power than a mt, It takes alot of power to clean a large tire to get it spining enough, my mt's lasted ten years each set and I had them on a 3/4 ton 4x4 and a cj7 with a v8 and a nother cj7 with a 350 vortec with 35's at the same time, the side walls were starting to crack but they still had plenty of tread, they got hard after ten years then I had them sipped(had a friend do it for me, most places won't touch a used tire).
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Mr Fuelish ;D atta boy, show them Heeps.
I have seen BFG MTs pack in the sticky goo and
the Swampers are dropping the mud like it's sand
or they are Teflon coated ;D
(Teflon is a registered trademark of the Dupont Corporation,
this is in no way an endorsement of Dupont or Teflon)
LOL :D
I ran the LTB Swampers 33-13.5/15s so low that
the low PSI tire guage had no reading, I guess
1/2 to 1 PSI, no bead problems.
Wild
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i'm running 34in TSL's and they work so awsome off road and are ok on the street too.
stu
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i have swamper ssr's on my samurai (27x9.50) . they are about two years old and have about 20,000 mostly road tires. compared to spare which has never been on the ground, they look like new. my samurai has been driven most of those 20,ooo miles on road. recently i put the on my sidekick for about a month and i hated them! TOO LOUD!, however the ride was not too bad. now they are back on my sammi and all is right with the world. they are awesome off road, i run them on 8" rockcrawler rims with 10lbs of air and they are awesome! i have run bfg muds in the past and was very happy with thier performance. if this is for your daily driver, i reccommend the radials as you won't have to worry about flat spots in the tire until they warm up.
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I decided to go with the Goodyear MTR on my Kick. Everyone I know that has them loves that tire. Not the best in the thick mud, but I dont hit that alot.
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has anyone tryed the Krawlers yet?
stu
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has anyone tryed the Krawlers yet?
stu
Way 2 Much $'s for me. The MTR's were bad enough, but the Crawlers were double the price of the MTR's :o
Zig
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For me BFG's are way too expensive for my taste. I am thinking about going with some hi-tec retreads.....
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Eric switched from swampers to mtr's. When I asked him about it he said he loved the mtr's. But like zig, Eric doesnt get into deep or thick mud very often.
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I was wondering when I'd get to the MTR's.
I've ran my MTR's now for two years.  And like you I'm in Michigan.  Mostly mud.
There are other tires that are better for mud, but we're so light that there has hardly been anyone (with a jeep on 35's) that's made it through something that I couldn't.  If fact I was wheeling up in canada last fall and on the trail was an up hill mud fest.  Out of about a dozen riges, mostly jeeps, I was one of three that made it up under their own power.  And I made it the quickest out of all. It was like it was dry dirt???
I also find that they are quiet on the road also.  And if you go to places that have some rocks, logs, and other obsticals.  You can't beat a MTR with about 4-6lbs in them!!
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i have 34 ltb's on my sammi 31 ltb's on my lwb ammi and 29 tsl's on my lj_80 and the ltb's kick the shit out of the tls for off road but on road the tsl's r better it all depends on what u want to do and how much u wanna spend
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Another thought, tires like Super Swamper TSL's/Radial TSL's are really great tires and can really grab.
But, tires like thouse can help break parts. Especialy things like that alu. front housing and stock CV axils. I know I brake the axils enoff with my MTR's.
If your spining in some mud and come upon say a rock, log or fresh dirt, the tires grab and "snap" there goes another part.
I find that the MTR's give me just the right amount of grab but yet not super hard on the parts.
Like I said earlier, they grab the best over rocks, but you dont get that tire spining/grabing shock that you can get in the mud.
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i have only broke one front end all summer cuz i let off coming out of mud holes. it you can control your self then you won't do bad.
stu
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Another thought, tires like Super Swamper TSL's/Radial TSL's are really great tires and can really grab.
But,  tires like thouse can help break parts.  Especialy things like that alu. front housing and stock CV axils.  I know I brake the axils enoff with my MTR's.
If your spining in some mud and come upon say a rock, log or fresh dirt, the tires grab and "snap" there goes another part.
I find that the MTR's give me just the right amount of grab but yet not super hard on the parts.
Like I said earlier, they grab the best over rocks, but you dont get that tire spining/grabing shock that you can get in the mud.
Thats a good point. My freind used to run Boggers and switched to those MTR's because of that. When I do by tires again I'll for sure go with MTR's. Till then I'm running Swampers and no front Locker, Yet!
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Hrm... I was almost won over to TSL's, but now all this talk about breaking stuff has me scared... I dunno... :-/
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just be a bit carefull man finesse finesse then when u hit mud pound on it !
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Don't worry about braking stuff.
It'll happen on its own.
Just stay away from Boggers. Great tire but no slip and thats way things break.
The MTRs have the right amount of give in them but so do Swampers. I think two of the best tires to have.
BUT
Thats just me.
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Bias-ply TSL's are cheaper than MTR's, aren't they?
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oh ya
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Only by 50 bucks each.
But I went Radial Swampers 132 bucks Vs 175 to 185 bucks.
But if you got the green backs buy MTRs.
If not (not everbody does)
Any good Swamper will do.
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Great topic!
i just bought a set of 28 in tsl for my g/f stock tracker for snow tires. i got them from
http://www.ntwonline.com/
they were real great to deal with and shipping to IA was pretty low. oh, they were around $84 each i think, pretty much the cheepest place i could find with shipping added in, got them about 8 days after order.
as far a breaking things goes.... wouldnt it be that no matter what you run, the bigger the tire the better the chances of breakage?
am only putting 30" tsl sx on mine so im hoping this theory holds up a bit :P
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Yes, the bigger the tire the easier it is to break things.
It's like putting a cheater par onto a braker bar to bust a bolt loose. The longer the lever, the greater the torque.
So, the taller the tirer the greater the torque is on the drive train.
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OK, so I was looking through on of my 4x4 magazines... specifically at the tire ads to see the general price of things when I noticed an extra number after the height, width, and wheel diameter... anyone know what it is?
(http://www.kielbassa.com/pictures/tires_wtf.jpg)
EDIT: I just realized that's probably the recommended wheel width...
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It's the number of plys
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And the more ply's you have the stronger the side wall. Also the stiffer the side wall will be.
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Oh.. that's even better :)
So is the highlighted tire a good choice for replacement of my Coopers?
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OH i always thought that ment that it came in 15 or 16in rims! ya learn somthing new every day.
stu
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i just put a set of goodyr mtrs on my track, they look wild. yall are gonna hate me when i tell ya what i paid for them,$120 each. mounted balanced and an alignment thats 2 weeks overdue from my calmini lift. 480$ total. its so nice to have inlaws in the shops!
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Mac has 32x9.5 bias, SS TSL's.
He’s been running them for a few months and they look brand new. ÂÂ
Sidekicks are light enough vehicles that you don't need to worry about tread wear too much when it comes to an aggressive tire like a Super Swamper.
His only complaint is that they are pretty noisy on the highway.  They like to Hummmmmmmmmmmmmm.
My next tire is gonna be a Super Swamper for sure.
SO MAC DID GET HIS NEW TIRES .... MINE WERE NOT RADIALS AND THEY SUCKED ON PAVEMENT ALSO GOT MAJOR FLAT SPOTS ESPECIALLY ON THOSE BELOW ZERO NIGHTS..FELT LIKE I HAD BLOCK TIRES .. YES THEY ARE NOISY .....I FELT LIKE MY ZUKE HAD HAD AN EXAUST JOB OR SOMETHING AFTER SWITCHING FROM SWAMPERS .......MAKE SURE THERE RADIALS..MATTY D. 8)
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I am goign to go with the Hi-Tec retreads, anyone have any experience with them. I mean for 47 bucks a tire you can't really go wrong for a 31x10.50
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A GUY AT WORK HAS THEM....HASN'T COMPLAINED YET :-/