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Title: AUTO SWAP INTO 95 KICK ????
Post by: NY_SIDEKICKER on March 26, 2004, 11:10:07 PM
JUST WONDERING IF ITS AS EASY AS FINDING AN AUTO TRANNY  AND SWAPPING OUT..........OR DOES IT MESS WITH THE COMPUTER AND ALL  ??? NOBODY WANTS TO PAY FOR WHAT I PAID JUST FOR THE TRUCK LET ALONE THE LIFT TIRES ETC. PEOPLE THINK THIS STUFF IS CHEAP. I WAS GONNA SELL AND FIND AN AUTO KICK TO RESTART ON. I DIDN'T KNOW MOMMA'S HAND WAS GONNA BE A PERMANENT INJURY , OR I WOULD HAVE LOOKED A LITTLE HARDER FOR AN AUTO KICK.......BUT TRUST ME I LOOKED FOR ATLEAST 3 MONTHS BEFORE I BOUGHT THIS ONE....... :-/        MATTY D.  
Title: Re: AUTO SWAP INTO 95 KICK ????
Post by: Speedracer7c on March 27, 2004, 12:49:00 AM
I got an auto, I want a 5 speed.........got 81,000 on the clock. I have a 95 16 valve
Title: Re: AUTO SWAP INTO 95 KICK ????
Post by: NY_SIDEKICKER on March 27, 2004, 02:31:50 AM
IS THIS ANDREW  ??? YOU HAVE A 2 DOOR CORRECT  :-/ WAS LOOKING FOR SOMEONE WITH A STOCK 4 DOOR AUTOMATIC PLUS SOME CASH  TO TRADE....BUT NO LUCK YET  ;) I'D JUST START OVER SO THE WIFE WOULD BE ABLE TO DRIVE.......BUT MAYBE THIS COULD BE THE ANSWER  :-/  ......                                                        MATTY  8)


Title: Re: AUTO SWAP INTO 95 KICK ????
Post by: 1bigtracker on March 27, 2004, 02:37:34 AM
no no matty, andrew wants to trade tranys with you i think?  he was talking to me about it before.  but to swap a auto into a 5-speed truck you need the computer,  but to swap a 5-speed into a auto truck you don't.

stu
Title: Re: AUTO SWAP INTO 95 KICK ????
Post by: NY_SIDEKICKER on March 27, 2004, 02:57:15 AM
I WASN'T LOOKING TO TRADE WITH HIM, I WAS JUST MAKING A STATEMENT ABOUT WHAT I WOULD DO WHEN I HAD IT LISTED FOR SALE......I'D LOVE TO SWAP HIM TRANNY'S BUT THEN I'D NEED A NEW COMPUTER  >:(
Title: Re: AUTO SWAP INTO 95 KICK ????
Post by: 1bigtracker on March 27, 2004, 02:59:24 AM
i'll see if i can find one around here.

stu
Title: Re: AUTO SWAP INTO 95 KICK ????
Post by: NY_SIDEKICKER on March 27, 2004, 03:00:16 AM
AND I WAS TRYING TO REMEMBER IF SPEEDRACER7C  WAS ANDREW.....SINCE HE CHANGED HIS PROFILE PICS. I GET CONFUSED  :-[  MATTY D.  8)
Title: Re: AUTO SWAP INTO 95 KICK ????
Post by: 1bigtracker on March 27, 2004, 03:03:10 AM
ya thats andrew, i talk to him on AIM all the time.  i think he putting his lift in this weekend too.  i'll have to ask him when he gets on.

stu
Title: Re: AUTO SWAP INTO 95 KICK ????
Post by: zooky on March 27, 2004, 05:59:22 AM
if you swap in a 3-speed you dont need a computer. Wildweasel did the swap and I put an auto in my sami.
Title: Re: AUTO SWAP INTO 95 KICK ????
Post by: 1bigtracker on March 27, 2004, 12:15:04 PM
so he could put an auto in with out the computer???  

stu
Title: Re: AUTO SWAP INTO 95 KICK ????
Post by: zooky on March 27, 2004, 12:37:33 PM
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so he could put an auto in with out the computer???  

stu

yes, the 3-speed not the 4-speed (its computer controlled)
Title: Re: AUTO SWAP INTO 95 KICK ????
Post by: 1bigtracker on March 27, 2004, 01:30:36 PM
what year did they start with the 4 speeds?

stu
Title: Re: AUTO SWAP INTO 95 KICK ????
Post by: wildgoody on March 27, 2004, 03:34:58 PM
My 3 speed Auto has torque convertor
lockup, but I don't know what made it
work, and it has not worked for years
as far asd I can tell

Wild
Title: Re: AUTO SWAP INTO 95 KICK ????
Post by: explosivo on March 27, 2004, 04:19:29 PM
Why go auto? The parasitic loss of an auto seems to be too much when you have oversized tires and 80hp!  :o

Keep the 5-speed, I say.
Title: Re: AUTO SWAP INTO 95 KICK ????
Post by: 92Sidekick4x4 on March 27, 2004, 04:21:02 PM
i think he has to change cause he said mommas hand is injured or soemthing
Title: Re: AUTO SWAP INTO 95 KICK ????
Post by: explosivo on March 27, 2004, 04:27:37 PM
Oh.... Still confused... ???
Title: Re: AUTO SWAP INTO 95 KICK ????
Post by: zooky on March 27, 2004, 11:08:13 PM
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My 3 speed Auto has torque convertor
lockup, but I don't know what made it
work, and it has not worked for years
as far asd I can tell

Wild

the lock-up is controlled by engine temp and the brake peddle not being pushed. There is also a pressure switch inside the transmission that prevents lock-up below a certain speed or in first/second gear. There are only 2 related wires going to the transmission, one is 12v and I have it wired through a relay so it looses the 12v if I apply the brakes (to keep it simple I disregarded the engine 'not warmed up' signal, its not that important), this will allow the solenoid to actuate when the (internal) pressure switch closes. The other wire is a signal to the computer telling it the lock-up has occured. I dont think it means much, its probally useless like the '5th gear' signal on the samis and trackers. I used it to light up a light so I know its on, it dosent have to be hooked up at all. Its pretty common for the lock-up function not to work, the solenoids jam, it wouldnt be a big deal if you didnt even hook it up
Title: Re: AUTO SWAP INTO 95 KICK ????
Post by: Agent Orange on March 28, 2004, 01:21:54 AM
i think your wrong.

correct me someone if i'm wrong  ::) but i'm sure torque converters work on hydraulic pressure. fluid from the tranmission flows into the converter spinning turbines inside, and lockup occurs when the pressure forces both turbines to spin at the same speed. so if you had a 3500rpm torque converter that means at 3500rpm both turbines would spin at the same speed giving you lockup. i think the electrical connections to the tranny are for kickdown.

no ?  ???
Title: Re: AUTO SWAP INTO 95 KICK ????
Post by: zooky on March 28, 2004, 02:19:46 AM
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i think your wrong.

correct me someone if i'm wrong  ::) but i'm sure torque converters work on hydraulic pressure. fluid from the tranmission flows into the converter spinning turbines inside, and lockup occurs when the pressure forces both turbines to spin at the same speed. so if you had a 3500rpm torque converter that means at 3500rpm both turbines would spin at the same speed giving you lockup. i think the electrical connections to the tranny are for kickdown.

no ?  ???

no, your wrong ;D
the electrical connector goes directly to the solenoid that allows hydraulic pressure (trans fluid) to lock up the converter. The kick down is controlled by a vacuum line and cable going up to the engine. I just had mine totally apart to rebuild it. I am talking about the 3-speed, the 4-speed is electronically controlled by the computer and its kickdown is electronically controlled
Title: Re: AUTO SWAP INTO 95 KICK ????
Post by: Agent Orange on March 28, 2004, 02:41:46 AM
ok

thanks
Title: Re: AUTO SWAP INTO 95 KICK ????
Post by: wildgoody on March 28, 2004, 03:04:20 AM
Thanks Zooky,
  The most it ever did was lower the RPM by
about 200-300, I never noticed the difference
in fuel mileage, maybe now with the turbo and
bigger tires, witht eh 5.83s I would get a little
better mileage, would be nice to see if it helps
more now I have the power to pull it.

It seems to be an electric or electronic, I'm not
sure which, that would dis-engauge when I put
my foot into the throttle, and you could get to
a point that was annoying when it would kick in
and out over and over very quickly, if I could wire
it so I could control it that might be an idea, until
I stoped and forgot about it, that would stall the
engine I think, like not pushing in the clutch ??

Wild  
Title: Re: AUTO SWAP INTO 95 KICK ????
Post by: wildgoody on March 28, 2004, 03:08:35 AM
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i think your wrong.

correct me someone if i'm wrong  ::) but i'm sure torque converters work on hydraulic pressure. fluid from the tranmission flows into the converter spinning turbines inside, and lockup occurs when the pressure forces both turbines to spin at the same speed. so if you had a 3500rpm torque converter that means at 3500rpm both turbines would spin at the same speed giving you lockup. i think the electrical connections to the tranny are for kickdown.

no ?  ???


Yes, and No

Yes Torque Convertors are a hydraulic actuated thing,
but in this case the lockup is an electric thing, not related
to the hydraulic pressures of the Torque Convertor.
Title: Re: AUTO SWAP INTO 95 KICK ????
Post by: idaholwb on March 28, 2004, 04:35:59 PM
 Trust me, I've done the manual to auto thing, and vice versa, to a pair of kicks, you don't want to do that!
There are so many physical differences between the two trucks, like the wiring, transmission tunnel, console, computer, brake pedal assembly including switches, etc.
This is a nightmare swap! I think that it would be an easier swap to put a GV v6 into a kick than this!
Title: Re: AUTO SWAP INTO 95 KICK ????
Post by: NY_SIDEKICKER on March 29, 2004, 09:43:08 AM
 :o   WELL ITS JUST A THOUGHT AT THIS POINT BUT LOTS OF GOOD INFO OFFERED THANKS  ;D   MATTY D.  ;)
Title: Re: AUTO SWAP INTO 95 KICK ????
Post by: NY_SIDEKICKER on March 29, 2004, 09:49:10 AM
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Oh.... Still confused... ???

THE REASON I WAS THINKING THIS IS THAT MY WIFE INJURED HER RIGHT WRIST LAST APRIL, WHICH WE THOUGHT WOULD HEAL.IT HAS NOT STILL NO STRENGTH IN HER RIGHT WRIST . I ORIGINALLY WAS LOOKING FOR AN AUTO. BUT COULDN'T FIND ONE . SO I BOUGHT THIS TRUCK NOT KNOWING THAT HER WRIST WASN'T GONNA HEAL. EVERY NOW AND THEN I NEED TO TAKE HER VAN WHICH LEAVES HER WITH NO WHEELS . THERE FORE THIS CAME ABOUT AS A THOUGHT, CAUSE I HAD IT FOR SALE FOR A SHORT WHILE , AND WAS GONNA START OVER IN AN AUTO. KICK. BUT PEOPLE THINK THAT THE LIFT, TIRES, ETC. ARE CHEAP CAUSE THE ONLY OFFERS I GOT WERE BARELY BOOK PRICES.....HOPE YOU AREN'T CONFUSED NOW  ;D ;)  MATTY D.  :P
Title: Re: AUTO SWAP INTO 95 KICK ????
Post by: 1bigtracker on March 29, 2004, 01:27:00 PM
what about taking the lift and stuff out?

stu
Title: Re: AUTO SWAP INTO 95 KICK ????
Post by: HotRod on March 29, 2004, 04:04:24 PM
YA why not? buy one with an auto, swap evrything over then sell it as a stocker. Thats probly the only reason to keep the stock stuff around.
Title: Re: AUTO SWAP INTO 95 KICK ????
Post by: NY_SIDEKICKER on March 31, 2004, 01:08:53 PM
OOOPS TO LATE FOR THAT  :-/  BUT ALL IS GOOD I CAN DRIVE IT  ;D
Title: Re: AUTO SWAP INTO 95 KICK ????
Post by: Speedracer7c on March 31, 2004, 01:40:07 PM
Should keep the wifey away from the toys anyway ;-)