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ZUKIWORLD Discussion Forum => Suzuki 4x4 Forum => Topic started by: hcgalvin on March 21, 2004, 03:22:43 AM
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Here's some pics! We will be installing today!
(http://www.whitepineclub.com/members/kd7hcg/pictures/OTTstuff/DCP_5346.jpg)
(http://www.whitepineclub.com/members/kd7hcg/pictures/OTTstuff/DCP_5347.jpg)
(http://www.whitepineclub.com/members/kd7hcg/pictures/OTTstuff/DCP_5348.jpg)
(http://www.whitepineclub.com/members/kd7hcg/pictures/OTTstuff/DCP_5350.jpg)
(http://www.whitepineclub.com/members/kd7hcg/pictures/OTTstuff/DCP_5351.jpg)
OTT Axle VS. Stock Sammy Axle:
(http://www.whitepineclub.com/members/kd7hcg/pictures/OTTstuff/DCP_5355.jpg)
;D
Heather
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GREAT NEWS ......WE'LL BE WATCHING FOR UPDATES . ;) MATTY D. 8)
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Cool close-up pics of the t-case and the adapter. Could you verify that the Sami case bolts to the adapter? Since the adapter has a female output shaft, you'd have to remove the flange on the Sami case.
Does the male input shaft of the case slip into the female shaft of the adapter or is there another adapter shaft between them?
Is the Sami case rotatable for better belly clearance? Would this be necessary?
Since you already have a Sami t-case available for measuring sitting on the floor/bench, could you measure the output offset off centerline of the driveline? Would you know if this is the same for the Trackick/Vitara? Meaning the rear output of the Trackick/Vitara is centered, but the front output of the t-case is ~3.5" horizontal.
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Are those inner shafts for the Sammy axle? 26spline on the diff side? How much and what alloy? ???
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Cool close-up pics of the t-case and the adapter. Could you verify that the Sami case bolts to the adapter? Since the adapter has a female output shaft, you'd have to remove the flange on the Sami case.
Does the male input shaft of the case slip into the female shaft of the adapter or is there another adapter shaft between them?
Is the Sami case rotatable for better belly clearance? Would this be necessary?
Since you already have a Sami t-case available for measuring sitting on the floor/bench, could you measure the output offset off centerline of the driveline? Would you know if this is the same for the Trackick/Vitara? Meaning the rear output of the Trackick/Vitara is centered, but the front output of the t-case is ~3.5" horizontal.
Pics for Jagular:
(http://www.whitepineclub.com/members/kd7hcg/pictures/OTTstuff/DCP_5358.jpg)
(http://www.whitepineclub.com/members/kd7hcg/pictures/OTTstuff/DCP_5359.jpg)
(http://www.whitepineclub.com/members/kd7hcg/pictures/OTTstuff/DCP_5360.jpg)
(http://www.whitepineclub.com/members/kd7hcg/pictures/OTTstuff/DCP_5361.jpg)
Also, as for the driveline, both the front and rear are now proportionate, offset. Meaning, where the front driveline comes out (same place on Kick) the rear comes out right behind it. The rear driveline is no longer centered.
So this means, for a track kick, you will need a shorter rear driveline, and a longer front.
The Sami case is not "clockable", and is not necessary.
Hope this helps? Got to get back to work.
Heather
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Are those inner shafts for the Sammy axle?  26spline on the diff side?  How much and what alloy? ???
Yes, at the diff they are 26 spline, and at the other end, 23 spline for Brent's Double-Tough Birfs that we are still waiting on... (come on Brent!)
OTT will be wanting $170 a shaft, this includes "heat treated" hardening. Without hardening, it will be cheaper. They are chromoly.
Heather
:)
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Cool, I feel like I'm there. Need a drink, cookies or chips. How about a left hand?
Last picture shows a ?second? t-case/adapter?
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Man you guys make me sick!!! ;D :P
Keep postin those pics and rubbing it in......... ;)
Later,
Bill
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Cool, I feel like I'm there. Need a drink, cookies or chips. How about a left hand?
Last picture shows a ?second? t-case/adapter?
Uuhhhh... yeah. :P
Three of us ordered three of these! LOL... and Three sets of axles..
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WELL I BET THEY WERE LOVING YOU :P
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You will REALLY like the 2 cases. I have been running a homebrew setup for a year now and It is the cats Meow.
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Rock on!! Moab here you come!!!
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your Kicker looks a little different than mine. Yea, your gonna love it, I just took mine for a spin around the block, cant wait to get it off road! Low-low is sweet.
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i hate you !!! i want ur truck!!! i wish i had the money....
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That's me in the goofy hat with the shades. I can't wait to put in my kicker, been too long with a very capable lwb sammy with stock t-case gears! Stock t-case with 35s and 5.12s just don't quite cut it!
It was a hell of a road trip to get the stuff on time! 634 miles one way! Beautiful drive though.
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OK.. some more pics of it going together.... we managed to get the whole assembly "in" the truck last night, we found out we had to cut the floor for the sammy tcase to fit.. :P So it was slow going trying to maneuver the whole unit in and out of the truck a few times to get it situated right. Will be working on it some more tonight.
(http://www.whitepineclub.com/members/kd7hcg/pictures/OTTstuff/DCP_5362.jpg)
(http://www.whitepineclub.com/members/kd7hcg/pictures/OTTstuff/DCP_5363.jpg)
(http://www.whitepineclub.com/members/kd7hcg/pictures/OTTstuff/DCP_5364.jpg)
Had to bend the stock sammy 4x4 shifter back because of clearance issues with the sidekick manual transmission. It wouldn't clear in reverse and 2hi:
(http://www.whitepineclub.com/members/kd7hcg/pictures/OTTstuff/DCP_5370.jpg)
(http://www.whitepineclub.com/members/kd7hcg/pictures/OTTstuff/DCP_5372.jpg)
Hole in Floor (ended up being slightly bigger than that, but all able to fit under the front passenger seat rails):
(http://www.whitepineclub.com/members/kd7hcg/pictures/OTTstuff/DCP_5375.jpg)
More to come!
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Mabey I wasnt fully paying attention but I didnt realize that we are doing something very simmalar as far as T cases go. Im installing a SpiderTrax Thorax and a Calmini 5.14 to 1 in a Sami case behind it. Same thing only different. It will be neat to see the two side by side. ::)
Mike
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idahoLWB" whihc way did u coem through? you drove to BC right?
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Ya Dude wich way did you come . if you hit the truck crossing you drove right past my front window . and you didn't
HONK !
CONGRADULATION'S on the purchase there guys ,can't wait to do this to my 4dr sidekick .SWEET ! i'm busy building my small block powered cruiser with spring-over and 38's right now ,then will start in on the sidekick . keep us updated .
Jake the snake
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just a question. how long is the second case and adapter? just wandering about doing it on a highly lifted 2 door tracker.
stu
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Mabey I wasnt fully paying attention but I didnt realize that we are doing something very simmalar as far as T cases go. Im installing a SpiderTrax Thorax and a Calmini 5.14 to 1 in a Sami case behind it. Same thing only different. It will be neat to see the two side by side.  ::)
Mike
Gearing selection and such will be identical. The nice thing I'm preceiving about the OTT set up is everything is married together, hopefully translating to less driveline wind-up. The more "links" made via ujoints, rubber mounts and such.
I like the Kicker 2 option for a LWB Kick or GV ( ;) ). This marries the Toyota t-case to the kick low-range. The t-case is stronger than either the Kick or Sammy t-case, but it's also bigger and gears do cost more. But the Toy case has fixed flanges (a big plus) and a correctly centered rear output translating to better driveshaft harmonics.
This also leaves you perfect for Toyota SAS conversion, as the driveshafts will only need to be lengthened or shortened, but are otherwise a bolt-in.
Hmmmmmm. ::)
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Oh, man, talk about being upstaged! I'm gonna have the least "tweaked" Kick in the Idaho Slick Rock Corral! Can't wait to see you guys in LESS THAN TWO WEEKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Roll-cage is IN. Starting to think about dropping the tranny, to put in the clutch, and new lo-geared xfer case... ;D
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This also leaves you perfect for Toyota SAS conversion, as the driveshafts will only need to be lengthened or shortened, but are otherwise a bolt-in.
Hmmmmmm. ::)
Wha-wha-wha-WHAT? Is this the real Yankee Tim? Putting Toyota parts in a Suzuki? Holy.... I need to sit down a minute.... Crap! :o ;D
Eric
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Wha-wha-wha-WHAT? Is this the real Yankee Tim? Putting Toyota parts in a Suzuki? Holy.... I need to sit down a minute.... Crap!  :o ;D
Eric
I'm sure he was just speaking hypothetically, about somebody ELSES rig, not his precious GV...
Or he's back on the crack, because he can't go to Moab...
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Wha-wha-wha-WHAT? Is this the real Yankee Tim? Putting Toyota parts in a Suzuki? Holy.... I need to sit down a minute.... Crap!  :o ;D
Eric
Well, if it were my Samurai, then yes, ultra purist while still trying to be hardcore. ;D Is there such a thing? Nope, mark my word, my Sammy will remain "Pure Suzuki". ::)
But my GV ain't that. The purist bug bit me and left on the GV quite a while ago. Too many broken parts, and it just ain't got the heart my Sammy has. So yes, maybe someday, when the payments end (2005) I would consider the above mentioned mods. I think a GV on 35's would be pretty tit.
Would I consider this mod? Well, I did just buy a 1984 Toy truck, well, because it was only $200 complete (with a 3" body lift to boot). You know, just in case.
The real reason I bought the GV in the first place was to guarantee a suitable H25 donor for my Sammy.
But a GV on 35's..... ;D
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Or he's back on the crack, because he can't go to Moab...
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That's LSD, sir. Get it right. ;D
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The real reason I bought the GV in the first place was to guarantee a suitable H25 donor for my Sammy.
Let's talk nomenclature for a minute. I've seen the V6 engines described as H25 for the 2.5 liter and H27 for the 2.7 liter on this and other forums. Is this correct? The wiring manual Stu, 95XL7, loaned me for the 2001 2.7 liter XL.7 says JA627. So, does anyone know whether the H is correct or the JA?
-Eric
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The wiring manual Stu, 95XL7, loaned me for the 2001 2.7 liter XL.7 says JA627. So, does anyone know whether the H is correct or the JA?
-Eric
That's Odd. My SQ625 FSM (That's what THEY call the GV) oh, wait... That's what they call the VEHICLE, not the motor. SQ is the GV, with a 625... So I'd guess a Vitara would be an SQ420? JA would be the frame/body designator for the XL-7...
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Let's talk nomenclature for a minute. I've seen the V6 engines described as H25 for the 2.5 liter and H27 for the 2.7 liter on this and other forums. Is this correct? The wiring manual Stu, 95XL7, loaned me for the 2001 2.7 liter XL.7 says JA627. So, does anyone know whether the H is correct or the JA?
-Eric
G13A, G13B, G16, ??18, ??20, H25, H27.
Strickly motor designations. The XL7's motor is the H27.
Anyone know what the #s are for the 1.8 and 2.0 I-4 motors. What about the 2.0 V6?
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That's Odd.  My SQ625 FSM (That's what THEY call the GV) oh, wait...  That's what they call the VEHICLE, not the motor.  SQ is the GV, with a 625...  So I'd guess a Vitara would be an SQ420?  JA would be the frame/body designator for the XL-7...
Yes, you are correct. I;'ve seen a British FSM on ebay, and it had the designations on SQ416, SQ420, SQ625 and JA627.
Why they change to JS for the XL is beyond me. Unless that leaves them room to evetually bump the GV up to the H27 motor when the XL7 gets the H30.
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The t-case is stronger than either the Kick or Sammy t-case, but it's also bigger and gears do cost more
not anymore, you can get the 4.7 gears for $399 now ;D
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not anymore, you can get the 4.7 gears for $399 now ;D
Hmmmmm, 1:1, 4.24:1, 4.71:1, and 19.98:1!!! :o
Cost: $399 (Toy gears) plus $675 (Kicker 2) plus $0 (already have CM rockcrawlers) plus $0 (already have toy axles with 4.10s)
Let me sharpen my pencil a bit. ::)
GV 4spd auto with CALMINI Rockcrawler underdrive and a 4.7:1 Toy t-case
2.46 x 4.24 x 4.71 x 4.10 = 201.43 to 1. And don't forget to add the torque converter reduction too. ;)
Not too shabby. ;D
Now, are you and Glenn going to try to talk me into it?
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Sorry no reply for a while, been working, and also been working in the garage. Making cross members, and giving the front end a knuckle rebuild. Also making front bumpstops.
More updates later....
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Now, are you and Glenn going to try to talk me into it?
wont have to talk you into it after you see them in action at Paragon ;D