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ZUKIWORLD Discussion Forum => Suzuki 4x4 Forum => Topic started by: 90Stomper on March 11, 2004, 11:12:30 AM
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I am redoing my 90 tracker starting with the motor. my mech. and i have tried to think of everything we can but i would like some input from all of you too. there are alot of V8 trucks around here and i am tired of them pulling out in front of me cause they think i cant catch them... which i cant >:(
so here is what i got, it should be put in and running in 3 to 4 weeks...
throttle body spacer, calmini cam, 3 angel grind valves, ported and polished intake and head, underdrive pulley, calmini header, flowmaster exhaust, no cat. converter, 2" exhaust, el. radiator fan (no belt driven one, not alot of water crossings around here), ngk spark pluges.
running stock coil and distributor and wires....good idea?
so any thing else you all think i could do to get some more hp out of this lil motor? any idea what my hp will be? oh, and i will be running S.S. tslsx 30 x 10.5s W/ stock gears.
2nd Q. i have read everything i can find here about alternators. but am a bit confused, sometimes i cant tell if the sugestions are for sams or trakicks. i really need more amps badly. the under drive pulley helped power a bit but now everything dims at night with the heater running.
thanks. :P
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Tweek the regulator for more volts,
that's what gives you bright lights.
The mods you list should do the trick,
just port the intake, polish is just more
money for little to no incresae in power.
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Check the condition of the battery, alternator, cables, etc just to double check the condition of your electrical system. Better than spending money that you didn't need to. Try using a MSD Blaster2 coil, you'll like the help. I've been using one for years, love it.
If you're lucky, you'll be barely above what a stock 16v is, about 100 horse, maybe?
Also, think heavily about doing gears in the axles. It will make all the difference in the world! If you have a standard trans, try using 5.38s or 5.62s. You currently have 5.12s. Another thing you could do, is go through OTT Industries and go with one of their kicker3 cases mated to a sammy case, the gearing options and extra gearing change that you might need, it is a relatively cheap and very worthwhile investment. ;D
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Idaholwb wrote:
"If you have a standard trans, try using 5.38s or 5.62s. You currently have 5.12s. Another thing you could do, is go through OTT Industries and go with one of their kicker3 cases mated to a sammy case, the gearing options and extra gearing change that you might need, it is a relatively cheap and very worthwhile investment."
Hi Idaholwb,
I would like to know more about 5.38s and OTT Industries.
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I have heard of people useing MSD Blaster 2? coils for a little more power. what about a whole MSD 6AL? I have a few laying around thw shop.
stu
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and don't forget the all important K&N filter!!!!!
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I can't imagine trying to turn those tires with an 8-valve!
A 16 valve will get you 20 HP with no mods.
I definitely recommend the 5.83 ring & pinions - it'll correct for the tire size, and make your speedo and odo RIGHT again, plus help with your pickup.
I've GOT to look into that turbo!
Oh, and if trucks are pulling out in front of you, and you can't catch them, what difference does it make?
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and don't forget the all important K&N filter!!!!!
STU, DONT YOU START ;D
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somebody said u cant imagine turning those tires (30's) with an 8v!!!
i have 31s with my stock 1.3 (samurai) and it manages to keep up... all depends on preference... race car? 4x4 machine? or both...
both=money, so i had to sacrifice one
Andrew
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Wow!  thanks for the fast input.  i had forgot to mention that the K&N is coming next week 8)  i will be looking into that coil next.  what does 'tweek' the regulator mean?  OTT? never heard of them, got a link?  are those gears ganna kill my bank account?  and i am pretty good with tools, is that something i can do myself?  thanks again all!! :)
UPDATE
i found OTT Industries, uhhh i think a lil to much $ right now, and same with buying Calmini front and rear sets... but good idea for the future. i really want those sami fender flares too... choices.
and found the blaster 2 coil for 48.00. that doesnt sound to bad. about 'tweeking', not trying to be picky here but isnt there just a simple alt and bracket i can just buy and drop in? is anything in this project ganna be simple? just found that my block was cracked, luckly i have a spare.... what a pain.
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STU, DONT YOU START  ;D
;D ;D ;D come on just one more time! peassssss
and as for tire too big i have 5:12s with 34s. works great in the mud but lacks on the street.
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Tell us about the stickers Stu. What kind of power could we expect.
Mac
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Alternators were mentioned here, so instead of making 'nother post... Where does the negative battery cable connect to? (coming from the battery) I'm not having any issues (now anyway) with lights or dead battery. Is it just a ground or what?
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Tell us about the stickers Stu. What kind of power could we expect.
Mac
well, as noted in are much loved and missed K&N thread, you sould expect power gains by size, color and brand of decal. for example, and red MSD decal wouldn't yeild as much power as a bright green DOHC V-TEC decal. and if you can get one big enough to cover the side of your car, you might expect gains of up to 150HP.
Stu
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Tweek the regulator would be taking
it to a alternator shop and see if they
could turn up the voltage, to say 14.5 V
this will give you brighter lights
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I put a set of those super white bulbs in mine and now i have more light than i need. really bright.
Stu
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Tell us about the stickers Stu. What kind of power could we expect.
Mac
SURE MAC, EGG HIM ON AGAIN THIS WILL BE THE K&N THREAD ALL OVER :o I THINK THAT THREAD WENT ON WHEN YOU WASN'T HERE SO MUCH ATLEAST I DON'T REMEMBER YOU POSTING MUCH DURING THAT ...I COULD BE WRONG THOUGH ;D..........MATTY D. 8)
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well, as noted in are much loved and missed K&N thread,  you sould expect power gains by size, color and brand of decal.  for example, and red MSD decal wouldn't yeild as much power as a bright green DOHC V-TEC decal. and if you can get one big enough to cover the side of your car, you might expect gains of up to 150HP.
Stu
..... ::) HERE WE GO AGAIN ...HOLD ON TO YOUR HAT ::) MATTY D. ;)
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;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Stay away from underdrive pulley kits. They lower your water pump and alternator pulley speed, which will lead to inproper cooling, especially with mechanical fans - will spin slower. Your lights are dimming because you are in fact turning your alternator slower. All your electrical system has a preset draw, or load, which will not change, it will always require x number of amps. Now that you spin your alternator slower, you have to have your engine rpm higher to get the same output. Under drive pulleys are for drag cars, because they dont care about stuff like this.
Actually, the biggest irony on earth is underdrive pulleys, because most people go to high volume water pumps and HO alternators because their cars overheat and dont charge properly, which in the end neutralises all the effects of the underdrive pulley. I trust you are not building this thing for 1/4 mile times?
I have 33 x12.5 on my stock engine with k&n filter, I dont have problems off road. A lower 4low would be nice, I might get 5.82 gears later, but it only is a problem when the mud is really soft, the kind that grabs your tires and holds it.
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:)Again thanks to all for the input. i was thinking of getting rid of the underdrive pulley anyway, noticed it did not heat up well when it was -20. which makes sence. ganna put it on my girlfriends 93 tracker. she wont notice. ;D getting the coil mon. will get the alt. done this week too. think i will wait on the gears til next year though and just let em pass me by.
if you get that kind of HP from the K&N sticker i can hardly wait to put on my flowmaster one and see what it will do :D ;D
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:)Again thanks to all for the input.  i was thinking of getting rid of the underdrive pulley anyway, noticed it did not heat up well when it was -20.  which makes sence.  ganna put it on my girlfriends 93 tracker.  she wont notice. ;D  getting the coil mon.  will get the alt. done this week too.  think i will wait on the gears til next year though and just let em pass me by.
if you get that kind of HP from the K&N sticker i can hardly wait to put on my flowmaster one and see what it will do :D ;D
i'd awnser your question but some one whould say, "this an't the water cooler you know". but WTF! what size is you K&N sticker? ;D ;D ;D
Stu
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you should never ask another man about his size ::)
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I was going to ask what color but I think better not get into it
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Wow!  thanks for the fast input.  i had forgot to mention that the K&N is coming next week 8)  i will be looking into that coil next.  what does 'tweek' the regulator mean?  OTT? never heard of them, got a link?  are those gears ganna kill my bank account?  and i am pretty good with tools, is that something i can do myself?  thanks again all!! :)
UPDATE
i found OTT Industries, uhhh i think a lil to much $ right now, and same with buying Calmini front and rear sets... but good idea for the future.  i really want those sami fender flares too... choices.
and found the blaster 2 coil for 48.00.  that doesnt sound to bad.  about 'tweeking', not trying to be picky here but isnt there just a simple alt and bracket i can just buy and drop in?  is anything in this project ganna be simple?  just found that my block was cracked, luckly i have a spare.... what a pain.
The beauty of using the kicker3 setup, is you don't have to do any other gearing options for the axles for 33" tires. For example, I have an 8v 1.6 in my lwb sammy with a stock sammy case with 5.12s and 35s...soon (like in the next 2 weeks) will have a kicker3 installed...already on its way back from OTT, gotta do Heathers first. Can't wait! My sammy does ok at 70 on the freeway with about 16 mpg.
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http://www.ottindustries.com/kicker3.htm
here you go!
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thanks for the link.
alt. shop here says 'tweeking' is a bad idea, to just get a biger one.... so now i start searching for an alt with more amps with the least mods to make it fit.....
which light bulbs did you use that are brighter, price, location?
and i dont have a K&N sticker yet, but my flowmaster one is HUGE!! :o ;)
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which light bulbs did you use that are brighter, price, location?
i've tried everything but PIAA bulbs, and for the money the best all around lightbulb you can buy is Sylvannia Silverstars.
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OK, tweeking was a fix for low voltage, if it's
running at 14.5V then yes, it would be a bad
idea, some things like EFI ECUs don't like too
much voltage.
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I run 33x9.5s on stock gearing, the on street performance truly sucks, on long hills its 55mph flat out in 3rd. Fifth gear is a distant memory. I have 5:83s ready to go in but I want a steel front axle first
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I run 33x9.5s on stock gearing, the on street performance truly sucks, on long hills its 55mph flat out in 3rd. Fifth gear is a distant memory. I have 5:83s ready to go in but I want a steel front axle first
You will still not be happy, and there's very little you can do about highway performance. I'm just on 31's with the 5.83's and it's not good. That's with a snorkel AND K&N filter on the intake, and header & 2" high flow on the output side. I'm this close to stealing that fat little 2.5 V6 out of my wife's Grand Vitara.
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There's always My Way
MuHu Ha Ha Ha ;D
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the SS tslsx tire are really 29" OD so i will see what they are like, in shipping right now ;D but i bet i still change the gears next year....$$$!
as far as the alt goes i will see what getting rid of the underdrive does, i cant believe that there isnt yet a quick simple 'kit' alt for this? it looks like the one at roadless is for a sami? the guy at the alt shop held up a 92amp GM one and i was drooling, but didnt know if it would fit for $145 ??? i suppose you can make just about anything fit if ya want it bad enough. later this summer i will have a total of 6 50w lights to power up so i will have to find something.
Q, someone said 16v would add 20hp, what year is that and would it bolt onto my block and intake?
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You need 16V pistons too, they have the
recesses for the valves, and no it will not
bolt onto your intake, you need the whole
top end, and computer for the easiest swap.
You might as well do a rebuild and the 16V
at the same time, you could half A it but why
go thru all the trouble and do a half job.
Wild
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Why not just buy a 16 engine complete and install it with the harness and computer and be done with it?
Just a thought.
The sammy kit will work with the kick, same wiring connections. After all, the kick alt. works in my sammy just fine, a plug-n-play!
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i don't know why anyone would want 16V other than for the fuel injection. it gives you like 10 more hp in higher RPMS.
Stu
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yes but 10 more HP ;) ;) ;) ;) ;)
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the SS tslsx tire are really 29" OD so i will see what they are like, in shipping right now ;D  but i bet i still change the gears next year....$$$!
as far as the alt goes i will see what getting rid of the underdrive does, i cant believe that there isnt yet a quick simple 'kit' alt for this?  it looks like the one at roadless is for a sami?  the guy at the alt shop held up a 92amp GM one and i was drooling, but didnt know if it would fit for $145 ???  i suppose you can make just about anything fit if ya want it bad enough.  later this summer i will have a total of 6 50w lights to power up so i will have to find something.
Q, someone said 16v would add 20hp, what year is that and would it bolt onto my block and intake?
there is a GM alt braket somewhere on the net its like 30 bucks
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at a higher RPM. i don't run 5500 on the road(well aleast not all the time) lol
stu
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there is a GM alt braket somewhere on the net its like 30 bucks
anyone know where? :'(
well thanks again all!! nix on the 16v ;) my g/f would kill me if i started talking about doing more to the engine :o since it has been sitting in the garage since thanksgiving, which means her sport track sits outside, hee hee. ;D gotta have your priorities!
i am putting in that Calmini cam though, anyone have one? did it do anything for the $150?
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i think trail tough has them.
stu