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Title: 3" Calmini Lift Question
Post by: suzukiboyoz on July 04, 2005, 10:07:58 AM
Installed the Calmini 3" lift on my Vitara and all works fine it's just one side sits higher then the other.

The passenger side rear which is your drivers side  ::) sits 25-35mm higher.

Why is this and what can I do to fix it?
Swap over springs maybe?

Dave
Title: Re: 3" Calmini Lift Question
Post by: red_baron on July 04, 2005, 10:15:19 AM
the springs are handed.
did you put the right one on that side of your truck.
Title: Re: 3" Calmini Lift Question
Post by: suzukiboyoz on July 04, 2005, 10:53:53 AM
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the springs are handed.
did you put the right one on that side of your truck.


Springs are handed ???
What do you mean?

I thought the rear springs were the exactly the same when I put them in.
Title: Re: 3" Calmini Lift Question
Post by: 1bigtracker on July 04, 2005, 12:07:45 PM
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Springs are handed ???
What do you mean?

I thought the rear springs were the exactly the same when I put them in.

i think he means they are labeled "left and right"

hth, stu
Title: Re: 3" Calmini Lift Question
Post by: suzukiboyoz on July 04, 2005, 01:00:21 PM
Was no label would have seen that. :P
Title: Re: 3" Calmini Lift Question
Post by: Agent Orange on July 04, 2005, 01:46:12 PM
mine weren't labeled. did both springs seat properly in the lower control arms ? that is the only thing i can think of.
Title: Re: 3" Calmini Lift Question
Post by: suzukiboyoz on July 04, 2005, 02:45:00 PM
No checked everything seating probley.

I can put in some spring spacers?
Title: Re: 3" Calmini Lift Question
Post by: Agent Orange on July 04, 2005, 05:43:21 PM
post some pics with close ups.
Title: Re: 3" Calmini Lift Question
Post by: SiKiD_01 on July 04, 2005, 06:39:21 PM
if the front is not the same as the rear, its not that bad, and spring spacers will help.

BUT

if its left to right, and its leaning, its not good. you need to see if you can sort that out before going to coil spacers. sometimes a rig which is leaning to one side has some unpredictable handling characteristics on road.

i cant really think of anything else that would make one side lower, except for L and R springs in the wrong side, unseated coils, or just bad springs.

i would take the coils out and put them in the other side to see if that could be the reason. and then go from there. sorry i couldn't help more.

also make sure nothing is binding, like bolts too tight, bushes too tight, brake lines, etc etc.
Title: Re: 3" Calmini Lift Question
Post by: red_baron on July 04, 2005, 09:46:16 PM
my springs were marked up left and right.
Title: Re: 3" Calmini Lift Question
Post by: Zukipilot on July 04, 2005, 11:49:06 PM
Did you make sure that the end of the coil is turned into the grove notch in the bottom cup?

I dont remember mine being L&R but as easy as it is to swap them, I'd give it a try if nothing else shows up.

Zig
Title: Re: 3" Calmini Lift Question
Post by: Rhinoman on July 04, 2005, 11:53:41 PM
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my springs were marked up left and right.


By whom?
Title: Re: 3" Calmini Lift Question
Post by: Uncivilized on July 05, 2005, 01:10:21 AM
You shouldn't even consider putting in coil spacers to make a $1000 lift "correct". Something is wrong with the installation or the product. Relax, have a beer, and check it over with a clear head. It could be as simple as forgetting a coil isolator on one side....
Title: Re: 3" Calmini Lift Question
Post by: mbmarkyb on July 05, 2005, 02:40:09 AM
If i remember rightly one spring on the front was slightly difference to account for the driver only.

could be down to the machining maybe

Title: Re: 3" Calmini Lift Question
Post by: chet on July 05, 2005, 03:01:40 AM
I will have my kit sometime this week and will check to see if the coils are marked.
Title: Re: 3" Calmini Lift Question
Post by: suzukiboyoz on July 05, 2005, 09:32:36 AM
Changed over the springs on the rear last night and no difference??
Title: Re: 3" Calmini Lift Question
Post by: suzukiboyoz on July 05, 2005, 10:02:43 AM
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You shouldn't even consider putting in coil spacers to make a $1000 lift "correct". Something is wrong with the installation or the product. Relax, have a beer, and check it over with a clear head. It could be as simple as forgetting a coil isolator on one side....


Coil Isolator on top of the spring/mount???
Title: Re: 3" Calmini Lift Question
Post by: Rhinoman on July 05, 2005, 10:09:49 AM
Did you compare them while they were out?
Title: Re: 3" Calmini Lift Question
Post by: Natebert on July 05, 2005, 10:39:58 AM
Don't forget that the front and rear springs are different too!
Did you put both fronts on one side and both rears on the other ?  (they'll fit this way)

*made this mistake once*

;D
Title: Re: 3" Calmini Lift Question
Post by: Uncivilized on July 05, 2005, 10:41:18 AM
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Coil Isolator on top of the spring/mount???

Yeah, mine has them. They're not very thick, but you never know... With me, I've had problems that were "small" and hard to find when frustrated and cursing. I found if I took a "time out" and went back later, that's when you find the problem.
I think the calmini kit also has urethane isolators in their front a-arms...
Title: Re: 3" Calmini Lift Question
Post by: Uncivilized on July 05, 2005, 10:42:51 AM
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Don't forget that the front and rear springs are different too!
Did you put both fronts on one side and both rears on the other ?  (they'll fit this way)

*made this mistake once*

;D


That actually sounds like it might be an easy mistake to make, hard to catch if your not careful.
Title: Re: 3" Calmini Lift Question
Post by: Natebert on July 05, 2005, 10:45:29 AM
Lots of shiny new parts!
Half a dozen people working on your trucklet at the same time!
No organization.
Right hand not talking to left hand.
Excitement to get it installed quick!

It was a very easy mistake to make.
Title: Re: 3" Calmini Lift Question
Post by: suzukiboyoz on July 05, 2005, 10:52:14 AM
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Did you compare them while they were out?


Yes checked height on both springs when out exactly the same.
So no sag yet.
Only changed over the rear.

And right springs in front and rear. :P
Title: Re: 3" Calmini Lift Question
Post by: Subbie on July 05, 2005, 12:13:29 PM
hey yeah i have the same problem with my zuk which is RHD, i swaped the springs around aswell no difference, haven't done it get but the only solution i can find is to put spacers in to level it out.
Title: Re: 3" Calmini Lift Question
Post by: suzukiboyoz on July 05, 2005, 02:19:16 PM
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hey yeah i have the same problem with my zuk which is RHD, i swaped the springs around aswell no difference, haven't done it get but the only solution i can find is to put spacers in to level it out.


Yes I will try a 25mm spacer.
Title: Re: 3" Calmini Lift Question
Post by: wildgoody on July 05, 2005, 04:08:10 PM
You changed the springs and the rig
sat the same ???  then you have a
tweeked something, if it were the
springs it would have sat the opposite
way.
Have you check the suspension for binding ?

Title: Re: 3" Calmini Lift Question
Post by: Agent Orange on July 05, 2005, 04:30:11 PM
are both strut spacers in ? ball joint both bolted on the a-arms correctly ?

otherwise post some pics before you use a spacer, cause maybe someone on here can catch it.
Title: Re: 3" Calmini Lift Question
Post by: Natebert on July 05, 2005, 05:04:58 PM
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are both strut spacers in ? ball joint both bolted on the a-arms correctly ?

.....


Awesome, as I think you can put one ball joint on top of the arm, and the other on the bottom.

:)
Title: Re: 3" Calmini Lift Question
Post by: mudfkr on July 06, 2005, 10:09:31 AM
I had one of my front springs catch on the piece that it slides over and bind up just before reaching the rubber dampener due to some slag on the end of the spring where they had gas cut it and not dressed it up, 2 seconds with a grinder and it was fixed maybe yours is doing the same ??

Title: Re: 3" Calmini Lift Question
Post by: suzukiboyoz on July 06, 2005, 01:38:29 PM
Will check.

When I jack front and rear off the groung and measure the distance they are the same both sides??
I think one of the front struts might be binding??

Taking it off road this weekend for a workout.
Only been out once since fitting the kit.
Title: Re: 3" Calmini Lift Question
Post by: Zukipilot on July 06, 2005, 01:41:10 PM
Make sure you did not overtighten your suspension bolts causing it to bind up. and that the crossmember is not bent causing it to bind too.

Zig
Title: Re: 3" Calmini Lift Question
Post by: Subbie on July 06, 2005, 02:07:57 PM
yeah mine sits level in the front it's just the rear thats 10mm higher on the LH side, i just had a closer look at the spring set up and the seats at the bottom are opposite, the springs start in different places and the seats are angled forward abit i think, so this would cause the springs to be seated at different heights, this was the only thing i could conclude on causing this height difference as everything else is perfect, what do u guys reckon?
Title: Re: 3" Calmini Lift Question
Post by: suzukiboyoz on July 06, 2005, 02:23:41 PM
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Make sure you did not overtighten your suspension bolts causing it to bind up. and that the crossmember is not bent causing it to bind too.

Zig


I did use the rattle gun to fit most of the susupension. :-[
Title: Re: 3" Calmini Lift Question
Post by: mudfkr on July 06, 2005, 04:36:50 PM
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I did use the rattle gun to fit most of the susupension. :-[

Thats probably not a good thing  :-X

Try backing some of the bolts off a bit.
Title: Re: 3" Calmini Lift Question
Post by: HotRod on July 06, 2005, 05:22:02 PM
Have ya tried to contact Calmini?
They might be able to help ya.
maybe a bad spring?
Title: Re: 3" Calmini Lift Question
Post by: Uncivilized on July 06, 2005, 11:01:15 PM
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I did use the rattle gun to fit most of the susupension. :-[

If the rear trailing arm bushings are under a load due to overtightening, this would cause a problem. I'd loosen the bolts on the side that's higher(truck on the ground), and then re-tighten
Title: Re: 3" Calmini Lift Question
Post by: chet on July 07, 2005, 03:26:33 AM
its hard for just the rear to be off and the front level as they are all connected. when I had a front coil weaken the complete drivers side was lower than the pass. I would go with the overtightened suspension bolts.

Also check for a bad body mount bushing?
Title: Re: 3" Calmini Lift Question
Post by: Natebert on July 07, 2005, 04:02:23 AM
Drive the thing over some hard bumps to see if it settles in some.
Title: Re: 3" Calmini Lift Question
Post by: wezzlegod on July 07, 2005, 01:10:44 PM
my coils wernt labled eather. the shokes seem to have a memery.  if i lift on my frount a little it stays but if i move the rig it levels out. is it out of gear and on the ground. also check your parking brake lines. if one is snaged it can pull on the axel.