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ZUKIWORLD Discussion Forum => Suzuki 4x4 Forum => Topic started by: bandit86 on January 26, 2004, 08:23:03 AM
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As some of you know, I have been talking to a specialty shop about some cheap tcase gears for sidekicks. Well, the estimat today is $800 canadian for 10 sets , might be a little cheaper if more is bought. Originally he said $500, I cant up the extra 3Gs for a project right now, I wont have 8Gs for a long while. If anyone is definately interested and can afford 3.5:1 gears, let me know, it's $800 cdn +s&h(+taxes???) dont know what it translates to in $$USD
They are quality gears, go to
http://www.racegearbox.com
If someone helps me fund this, I can get an exact ratio once he gets going.
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it will come out to $610 US+ S/H
http://www.xe.com/ucc/
Jacob
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that's about what I figured. cheaper than 1000
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as soon as I get tax return, I'm sending $$
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Does the deal require our t-case to be sent to him for install?
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$800 Canadian dollars? Put me down for a set.
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That's it? Noone else?
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Severe lack of funds.....
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well nothing starts untill I got 10, I'm not going to sit here with $6000 worth of gears noone wants.
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I must have missed the front of this post, do you have a bit more detail, I would be interested.
Mac
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I got a custom gear guy to make some sidekick 3.5:1 tcase gears. I need at least ten sets for him to start. Price is about 600us.
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Already have Calimini's 4.24:1. ;D
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Does the deal require our t-case to be sent to him for install?
Say again.
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No, he makes gears, you install or have done
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No, he makes gears, you install or have done
Then next question: Would this apply to a Vitara/XL-7 model t-case?
(Really the question is would these same gears work in a t-case from a Vitara/XL-7? Auto or 5-sp? I have some 2' of driveline length I can play with!!!!)
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I don't know, these gears are being made for the Sidekick
transfer case, if the same gears fit in the GV case then yes.
I just don't know how interchangable these gears are.
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Check the Calimini or RR site and see what their gears fit. These will also fit the same.
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Check the Calimini or RR site and see what their gears fit.  These will also fit the same.
That's what I've figured, but last time I talked to Calmini, I wasn't very happy with the way the discussion went with who ever answered the phone. They sounded like 4WDW with their Pro Comp crap. Too pushy on their items without details, and having no knowledge of competitors items or other possibilities. So I'm more relunctant to call and ask questions.
If I want something from them, I'll just call and order.
(I know I should call and talk to Steve, but he's also a business man - making his business grow in other areas - busy man.)
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Calmini's web site shows same order part number for the 4.24:1 t-case gears for Trackick/Vitara/XL7. P/N SK5047.
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As I understand it, the gears will fit in the Auto GV but not the manual as the shaft length is different.
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Does the shaft length matter? Won't the gears fit on the manual shaft?
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Does the shaft length matter? Won't the gears fit on the manual shaft?
MY WIFE SAYS IT DOES ::)
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Can we get some info on the gears like what spec steel will they be made from etc and what is the determining factor for the ratio, that is why 3.5:1? I'm definately interested but just want to know what I'd be getting.
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I think, in my oppinion that the 4.24:1 TC gears are too
low, Mike on the other hand would like 8:1s, so here we
have a different driving preference.
When Bandit first mentioned he knew a guy who could
build gears, I suggested 3.5:1 as the 4.24:1 give you
a top speed of about 24 MPH at 5500 RPM.
By going to a 3.5:1 that goes up to 30 at 5500 RPM,
now also you wont have to clearance the case and have
a top speed that is still way lower than stock, I can go 55
MPH in low right now.
Read through the web site
http://www.racegearbox.com
they build gears for transmissions, so they have the experience
and are qualified to do the mod gears, so how many do you want
???
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You'll need to keep in mind that all gears of Kick/Tracker T-cases ARE NOT the same. There is a difference in shaft diameter or gear placement on on of the shafts. I ran into this when installing my GRP 4:1 kit. They were still testing the gears at the time and had not determined how to know which set up you had without tearting the T-case apart. When I found out that the gear set to deep in my case, they sent me the other set and it worked fine. I forwarded my set to someone in Oregon (I think) and that set worked OK in their Kick, but would not work in mine.
Zig
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There might be two different transmission, Mine has the 7 7/8 clutch, trackers have the 8 1/2 inch clutch. I dont know why that is different, or why they would make different internals
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I have the 4.24:1 like I said earlyer.
I love them most of the time, but at times I wish they were steeper. Mabe 6:1?
My forth gear is like driving 1st gear 4wd to give you a comparison.
You really have to deside what tire your running and where you want to go.
I can put it into 1st and full lock and can easally motor through rocks and logs without burning up my clutch.
I run sand all the time but I do that in 2wd! It's a lot more fun that way. There's only one hill I can't make up that way. So I get to the bottom, put it in low - 4th gear, then run it up to 6k. Make it to the top almost every time! ;D (Though I will admit that the stock low gearing was the best for sand.)
As for mud it gives me plenty of low end torque to keep the tires moving fast enough to clean them out. The only time I get stuck in mud is when I bottom out, not lack of wheel speed.
I don't know what 3.5:1 would be like, but I don't have any trouble keeping up with anyone on the trail. If I need more speed I usually need 2wd and a lot higher speeds.
Lastly it could make a big difference if you have a auto or stick. An auto might be able to make up the difference in the converter were a stick you will need more clutch.
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Ya, I think your right, I have an auto and I want
higher ratio than the guys with the Man trans.
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I've gone to auto now and my crawl ratio is not as low as the manual was and the auto needs help on steep downhill descents so I don't want to give too much away so lower is better for me.
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Remember, in an auto the first gear might be higher but you also have a torque converter.
With the right stall speed (stall speed = the rpm your torque converter will allow your engine to rev up to with your foot on the brake) your crawl ratio could be a lot lower than a stick.
I know you can slip the clutch, but a clutch can only take so much. A torque converter can take a lot more engine/trans differential (engine out put spinning faster than the trany input).
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On that note, is there a market for high stall torque converters for a Track/kick? Just ???