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Title: 86 samurai No spark with New used dist/coil
Post by: Lbrrick on June 18, 2019, 06:38:55 PM
 Hey guys, new to the group new to the samurai world and I’m hoping you guys can help. I just got this old crawler from a buddy who was going to junk it. I got it running and driving for about three weeks until it just stopped producing spark. Since then I changed to a known good distributor and brand new coil... and nada.  I’ve talked with Rod at Rods samurai salvage and he suggested putting a jumper wire from the + side of the battery to the + side of the coil to bypass the harness and still nothing. Im puzzled any help would be grateful.

Thanks
Title: Re: 86 samurai No spark with New used dist/coil
Post by: fordem on June 19, 2019, 08:19:08 AM
Where are you checking for spark?  At the coil or the plugs?  Was the "known good" distributor swapped along with rotor, cap & leads?

I'm not really in favour of swapping parts to find the problem, I'd rather test first - do you have voltage at the coil positive terminal (you should if you're connecting directly to the battery), do you have voltage at the coil negative terminal (you should if both the coil & distributor are good), does the voltage at the coil negative vary as you crank the engine?  If you jumper the coil negative to ground

Does the distributor turn as you crank the engine?
Title: Re: 86 samurai No spark with New used dist/coil
Post by: Lbrrick on June 19, 2019, 11:55:59 AM
Hi,
I was  checking for spark at the spark plug.
When I installed the “known good“ distributor I kept the same cap rotor and wires, which are new and ran before.
I do you have voltage at both negative and positive side of the coil.
 I have not checked to see if there is varying voltage on the negative side of the coil while cranking. I will check that tonight .
Title: Re: 86 samurai No spark with New used dist/coil
Post by: fordem on June 19, 2019, 05:47:02 PM
If you have no spark at the plug, the next thing I would be checking for is spark at the coil - a defective cap or rotor (yes, I understand they are new & worked before) are both possible.
Title: Re: 86 samurai No spark with New used dist/coil
Post by: Lbrrick on July 13, 2019, 09:40:37 AM
Still no spark at the plugs!! I have put a new cap/rotor. At a complete loss here
Title: Re: 86 samurai No spark with New used dist/coil
Post by: fordem on July 13, 2019, 11:53:50 AM
So let me ask again, do you get spark at the coil?

Crank the engine with the distributor cap off - does the rotor turn?
Title: Re: 86 samurai No spark with New used dist/coil
Post by: Lbrrick on July 13, 2019, 03:16:18 PM
Yes, the rotor turns while cranking and I do have spark coming from the coil.
Title: Re: 86 samurai No spark with New used dist/coil
Post by: fordem on July 13, 2019, 03:50:57 PM
If you have spark at the coil, but not from the distributor, your problem is going to be either the cap, the rotor or the leads - be aware that there are after market rotors that can be installed incorrectly.
Title: Re: 86 samurai No spark with New used dist/coil
Post by: Lbrrick on January 24, 2020, 08:14:42 PM
Back at it, trying to get this thing running again. Installed new duralast gold spark plug wires and I’m still not getting spark from the distributor to the plugs or wires! Where do I check now??? Please help
Title: Re: 86 samurai No spark with New used dist/coil
Post by: fordem on January 25, 2020, 07:46:17 AM
I'd suggest you read my last post a second time - there were three items to be checked, you still need to deal with two.
Title: Re: 86 samurai No spark with New used dist/coil
Post by: Lbrrick on January 25, 2020, 02:53:51 PM
Fordem the coil delivers spark. The rotor is on correctly 100%( accommodates the flat spot). The cap is fine (second one I’ve installed).when you say leads please be more specific spark plug wires, coil wires?
Title: Re: 86 samurai No spark with New used dist/coil
Post by: fordem on January 26, 2020, 07:03:18 AM
Have you verified the timing is correct?  If you have the timing out the coil will still produce a spark, but, the spark will not be there when the rotor is pointing to the tower so the spark won't show up at the plug leads.
Title: Re: 86 samurai No spark with New used dist/coil
Post by: Lbrrick on January 27, 2020, 07:47:27 AM
I have not checked the timing. I will check that today
Title: Re: 86 samurai No spark with New used dist/coil
Post by: Lbrrick on January 28, 2020, 07:49:24 PM
Yelp as soon as I get the cam cover off the starter just clicks. Problems on problem
Title: Re: 86 samurai No spark with New used dist/coil
Post by: Lbrrick on January 28, 2020, 08:05:36 PM
Okay. So I bumped the starter around until both intake and exhaust rockers were loose and the rotor is on #1 in the cap. What is the next item to check? Thanks
Title: Re: 86 samurai No spark with New used dist/coil
Post by: fordem on January 29, 2020, 05:01:40 AM
At the risk of seeming ridiculous - which intake & exhaust rockers were loose?  Are you aware there is a scale on the timing belt cover to show when the engine is at TDC?
Title: Re: 86 samurai No spark with New used dist/coil
Post by: fordem on January 29, 2020, 06:15:47 AM
If you don't already have them, you should be able to download the appropriate factory service manuals at Ack's FAQ - get them and start doing things properly.
Title: Re: 86 samurai No spark with New used dist/coil
Post by: Lbrrick on January 30, 2020, 08:37:53 PM
Found how to put the engine at tdc. Rotor is at #1 Pretty cool they have that inspection plug for timing. Haven’t worked on one of these Ever.
Title: Re: 86 samurai No spark with New used dist/coil
Post by: fordem on January 31, 2020, 05:41:17 AM
Rotor is at #1 with which cylinder on TDC compression?
Title: Re: 86 samurai No spark with New used dist/coil
Post by: Lbrrick on January 31, 2020, 07:16:08 PM
The number one cylinder (front end of the engine) on compression stroke.
Title: Re: 86 samurai No spark with New used dist/coil
Post by: fordem on February 01, 2020, 09:43:41 AM
Assuming the cam & ignition timing to be correctly set - if you're getting a spark at the coil, and not at the plugs - the problem is going to be one of the following ...

a)  the lead between the coil & the distributor cap (spark not reaching the distributor)
b)  the distributor cap (spark reaching the distributor, but not reaching the rotor)
c)  the rotor (spark reaching the rotor but not being "distributed" to the plug leads terminals)
d) the distributor cap (spark being "distributed" to the terminals but not reaching the plug leads)
e) the plug leads, spark leaving the distributor but not reaching the plugs)