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ZUKIWORLD Discussion Forum => Suzuki 4x4 Forum => Topic started by: mahimahimo on July 11, 2003, 12:59:17 PM
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now jsut for the sake of asking....is it possible to put a turbo on these engines ?
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EDIT: I had some misinformation...
Sure it is. It's always possible. Actually the Swift overseas had the option of having a turbocharged 1.0L DOHC 3-cylinder motor. Similar to the 100 HP 1.3 from the GT/GTi, the turbo motor put out like 70 HP I believe. I had thought the 1.3 had been turbo charged but after doing a search it was not, but it has been done. I've always thought it would be cool to get a Swift GT and turbo it.
Check out...
http://www.angelfire.com/co/swiftGT/ratracer2.html
It's an article about a turbo'ed GT.
Someone should do that and put it in a Kick or Sammy :)
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i think i might have to try it...if any one out there has any specs or any info on it email it to me please at anonymosy2k|removethispart|@aol.com
thanx
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The Calmini catalog shows supercharger kits for the Sami and 1.6 Sidekick engines. They cost about what the resale value of my car is. I like to tinker, but not THAT much! :o
Don, y'all
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really....how u get a calmini cataloug? and how much is hte super charger?
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I thought Calmini discontinued their supercharger kit out of lack of interest and such? Besides, you have to run the sidedraft carbs to use it and that ups the cost almost another grand.
Does Calmini still sell the kit then?
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u know how much hp the supercharger had and if it would work on a 94 tracker 1.6liter 8 valve?
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The 2002 Calmini catalog shows the supercharger kit, part number SK 99135, for the 1.6 8-valve on page 30. I don't know if it was discontinued.
There are other ways to increase power from this engine. None will turn it into a Viper eater, but they will make it run better and won't shorten the engine's life in the process. Start with a low restriction exhaust, hot coil, a K&N air filter, and a cam. There are tricks to play with the engine controls, too.
Don, y'all
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sounds good i already did a k&n, bout to do teh exaust, but unfortunantly the cam isnt for a 94, also wats a hot coil?
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Over time, the stock ignition coil gets even weaker than it was from the factory. (A plug gap as small as 0.028 inch implies rather low secondary voltage.) This can cause drivability problems because of misfire, and also because the oxygen sensor sees a rich running condition and leans the mixture, which makes it worse.
After seeing some discussion on other boards about this problem, I replaced my coil with a universal replacement coil from Accel and bracket bought at a local speed shop. Outlay was ~ $40US. I saw an improvement in drivability and a significant increase in gas mileage (~ 2-3 MPG).
If you do this, be sure to check the resistance of your coil's primary winding and get a new coil that matches it. Resistance will be ~ 0.7-0.9 ohms for one model coil or ~ 1.1-1.3 ohms for the other. After installing the new coil, you can gap your spark plugs to 0.035-0.038 inch to take advantage of the hotter spark.
Don, y'all
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aright sounds good. thnax for the info
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You want to know turbo...Ask me 8)
1.6 Turbo Intercooler 140 HP
In the words of my brother who was behind me at the 2002 TDS safari when I punched it.
" That Thing Hauls Ass " I was running 235 75 15 Tires at the time and every time I floored it
I had 4 spinning tires squirting dirt out the back, I was going around a jeep that stalled and floored it, my brother was 50 Feet away and said he looked up to see what the noise was, said it sounded like a jet blast coming out the back, it was just the exhaust pressure under 8 PSI boost.
at this time I had a little different setup, no intercooler, and a fuel enrichment system that made street driving quite an adventure, if it kicked in at the wrong time both rear wheels with the locker would break loose on a corner, it gets pretty hairy after that, so I mellowed it out a bit.
E-mail me if you want to see pics of the buildup
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Give us the goods what are you running for a setup for the turbo system.
Mac
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man that would be great... could u email me sum pics at anonymosy2k|removethispart|@aol.com also bout how much did it cost u to turbo it..thnx for ur help
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I got a turbo from a Mazda MX3 turbo model of coarse, If I was going to get another
turbo, I would get one from a Subaru easier to fabricate the exhaust down pipe.
I got the best header designed so far (Gen4) from toyotaperformance.com it is
made from schedule 40 weldable steel elbows and black iron pipe.
I made my turbo mount to fit the first header design, I have built 4 of em,
as they kept burning through, If I redo the header I will mount the turbo high
as in the toyota site, as it is now I had to build my own custom heat shield to
protect all the brake stuff from the 900F temps of the header.
I also built an intercooler from a volvo intercooler, re fabbed the side tanks from
.050 aluminum sheet, would have looked totaly pro to if I had a TIG welder, but I
used a MIG instead so it has bubble gum weld beads, but it works realy good.
Air from a turbo is about 275-300F and will cause horrable pinging without an
intercooler. my intercooler is realy way overkill, I could have made one half as
big and it would do a good job.
I would recomend only doing this with a Mass Air Flow EFI system as I had
to play with my fuel system alot.
I run about 90-100 PSI fuel just to run 5 PSI boost, need about twice the fuel
at 8 PSI boost from stock injection flow.
I want a 16V Head and EFI setup then I could get about 160 Hp.
as it sits now I pull hills with stock 4.62 and auto trans on 33 Swampers
about the same as a stock 16V Man Trans does on stock size tires.
Ill work on getting pics up
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bout how much it cost u, how reliable is it, and how much more stress is it putten on ur engine...thanx for the help
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I forgot the most important part, How Much !!
the Turbo and all plumbing was $60 from a pick it your self
wrecker, wiggle the compressor side B4 u pull it, if it moves
in out or up down skip it, it needs a rebuild, should not move
noticeably and should feel a little stiff when first turned, like a
precision machine tool, then rotate fairly easy.
the header was about $70 for the steel and the computer cut
flange that was patterned after the exhaust gasket of 1/2" plate.
I would say I have $400 or $500 total into this setup.
Intercooler and hoses and stainless hardware, just all
adds up.
Reliable, yes, It's a daily driver, and with 31" tires still
has a lot more power than stock on stock tires.
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yes i too would like some pics of this setup.....
but i was thinking of using the dodge 2.2 turbo i can get em for 35 bucks at a local yard here .......
and yes it helps being an old fart because ive been using this same yard for over 20 yrs and if its some thing they dont sell much of i can get it real cheap and the turbos they have they have never sold 1 they seemed surprised that even asked about it.......
but please send some pics so i can see how this is done i have a 13 b out of a swift that i think could handle the boost........
that 13 b is the first 4 banger ive ever seen with a main bearing web setup on the bottom end .....dont get me wrong it is a cheezy little stamping but its still a web setup....and it screaming for some type of forced indution setup........
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I uploaded some pics, no order or page yet but if you want to
look at what I posted here is the address, just look around
I'll work on getting a page formatted and the pics in an order
so it will make more sence with the details explained.
http://wildcatent.freeyellow.com/zookmods/
Enjoy,
Darrin
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I got some time to put up a page instead of just the pics, I included a little history
and some details, but this is such an involved project, there is lots more to come.
I will update the site with the questions asked here in the forum so the more questions
the more detail the site will have. site address is the same.
Please forgive the stupid pop-up, it's a free site trying to peddle their junk you know,
just close the pop window and it will stop. ;D
http://wildcatent.freeyellow.com/zookmods
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Hey, how much would you charge for one of those headers? Even if it is just tack welded I can do the final welding.
Later,
Bill
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The header is a one off, and to do another
would be much too difficult without a sidekick
right there for the trial and error fitting.
I would consider re-doing another manifold if
I had not moved to a house without a garage.
As it is now my welder and stuff is at my brothers house
to keep it out of the weather, the best I could suggest
is to use yours or another kick to do the mock up work.
I will get around to re-doing a new manifold, but I just
doon't have any way of getting it done.
A one off unit would have to ba around $250-300 plus materials
which is about $80, for about double parts cost, you could make
a cool stainless steel manifold that would never need replacing,
I may do that with my next one, or have it ceramic coated, but
that would cost more than stainless from the priceing I got.
Stainless turns a cool golden color with heat, and looks very
distinctive, you won't see many SS manifolds.
I need to buy a house with a garage / shop,
then I start playing again
:D
Darrin
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Darrin,
Found your website kind of by chance. I had no idea anyone else had a turbo Zuk running around, let alone someone living so close to me. (I'm in Lake Forest/Anaheim)
By the way, did you steal the turbo sticker off my web site?  :-X
http://rz-products.com/WAYNE/UPDATES/UPDATES.HTML
No worries..  8)
How safe do you think it is to have such a high fuel pressure? I honestly have no idea, but seems most people stay around 80 psi or below.
Anyhow, the main reason I am posting is regarding the fuel management. The Suzuki injection system is actually a Mitsubishi system, similar to the one on my Mitsubishi swap in my Samurai. I'm thinking you might be able to connect an AFC piggyback to the stock computer. This will allow you to dial in the extra fuel, or even run a larger fuel injector.
Here is a link for you:
roadraceengineering .com
set up:
roadraceengineering .com/newafc.htm
Once I start tuning for power I will be picking up one of these. You can usually find them for a fair price used. As I recall this is a rather universal piggy back that can also be used on Hondas and the such. I'd say thisis well worth the effort.
Another option is an extra set of injectors with their own computer. But this could get spendy.
With what I have heard about the Mega squirt and other total replacement CPUs, you may not be very happy with it. I like to keep the operation of my vehicle nace and simple... Anyone can drive my rig as it requires nothing special. But an aftermarket CPU will end up training you to get accaptable performance out of it.
Trust me, I'd love to drop an AEM CPU into my rig, and I may down the run, but for now, nothing beats the ease of use, and quality idle that the stock computer offers. If I want to go crazy for power, this the AEM goes in.
The 200 to 250 HP I currently have is plenty fun for now.. But I have not yet had it in the sand. ;D
Did you mention you have an intercooler on there?
Also, I think I saw you post that you no longer have a garage, or easy access to your welder. You are welcome to come over and play in our little shop in Anaheim if you like. My project is currently there, but I will be moving down to Fallbrook sometime in the next month or two. I'm sure my buddy will get a kick out of your turbo project as he has a Samurai with a 16 valve that he uses mostly for a sand toy. I could see him jumping on the turbo band wagon. (Besides, it would save me the trouble of dropping an Eclipse motor into his!!)
-Wayne
(http://rz-products.com/WAYNE/trips/030721/waynes1%20132.jpg)
p.s. Darrin, do I know you? Were you at Big Bear Bash?
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Hey Wayne !!
I have been wanting to meet up with you.
I saw your Zuke the first weekend you had
it back up and running, about 8 weeks ago I
think, you passed me up in Big Bear in town.
I recognized your trademark grill ;)
I would have turned around but I was trail
boss for the day and had several vehicles
following me.
I have purchased a MegaSquirt kit, and have put it together.
I need to now build the port injection manifold to run it
properly, the stock system on the 89' is Mitsubishi Computer
but a Mikuni Throttle body, I can't get enough fuel out of it.
As far as the sticker, I don't remember where I saw it, I just knew I
had to post it, If it's yours, Thanks Bro :D
The stock injector is only 50 PPH, I need about 100 to 120 PPH.
I can only get enough fuel to run 4 PSI boost, and I have a TBI
setup so I don't know how the AFC system will help, nobody
makes bigger injectors that I have found, seems to be the
&|removethispart|@$t|removethispart|@rd son of FI systems.
Yes I got and intercooler on it, not much point of turbo
without as the ping will destroy the motor in a hurry.
I have been playing with the idea of using the stock
injector as a water/alcohol mix water injection system
and useing the MS system for fuel control, I have not
heard of the tuneability problems you speak of, have
I not done my homework?, the MS system is a total
programable system, I thought I could get it to do
what I want it to with some tuning and tweeking.
I would love to come and play at your shop, sounds like fun.
I did not make the Big Bear Bash, would have been fun tho. :)
Thanks
Darrin
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I realized I reference a blue rubber tube, but have
no pic to show what I'm talking about, so I went in
and added a couple of pics today so you can see the
intercooler from both sides.
The intercooler was a fairly easy thing
to do, tho it would have looked better if I'd have
used a TIG welder instead of the MIG with aluminum
wire, just too hard to weld on .050 aluminum and
not burn through, so I made several passes to get it,
then pressure tested it, more passes to seal it, so
it looks kind of ugly, but so does the truck so it all
matches :)
http://wildcatent.freeyellow.com/zookmods
The intercooler is from a Volvo turbo, several others
would work too, but the volvo flows best for stock
and there are lots of them for the picking, next
would be a Saab Turbo but they are hard to find and
a pain to pull, plus it's flow is more restrictive, I think the
Volvo intercooler could be cut shorter (top to bottom)
for a 1.6-1.8 motor and get a little better fit in front of
the radiator.
If you don't have a body lift, the placement I used would not work
as the tubes periscope over the radiator, also I used 3" inlet
and outlet which could be reduced to 1 3/4 to 2" size for ease
of plumbing.
I would also fabricate the tanks with 90 degree bends instead of
round as it would be much easier to weld to and cut holes for the
plumbing fittings. Live and learn, I'd do it different and better
next time, but it works.
Darrin
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Ahh. I thought I saw your truck somewhere. Sounds like that trip you saw me on was probably my Club's Trail Clean up before the Bash. We will have to meet up one of these days.
I for some reason forgot that you had an 8 valve motor. Your megasquirt might be the best value for your engine. I also have a Tracker with an 8 valve, and now you have me thinking about slapping a turbo onto it. (You bastard!) ;)
If I do this project I'll be keeping the A/S system as it is just a daily driver. (Don't ask me how I layed my daily driver on its side though..) ::) So I'll either end up with an intercooler down low, or maybe a side mount like the DSM.
As I recall, doesn't the Pontiac Sunbird and similar cars use the same fuel injection system as our 8 valvers? That throttle body might transplant well...? I'll check with a friend that was reverse engineering the Sunbird eprom.
-Wayne
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I just sent an email to my friend, then I had a thought about a possible source for a larger injector.
I think that is still a mitsubishi based TBI setup. The Mitsubishi Starion/Chrysler Conquest has a similar TBI set up that might have an injector that would work. (As would other Mitsubishi vehicles like maybe an old Montero.)
If that is a GM TBI (which I think I recall being the case) then you would be able to get larger injectors as GM used those on a number of engines from 1.6 up to the 5.7.
Just some guesses mind you..
-Wayne
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Very interesting, I never thought of a Mitsu as being a posible
replacement parts vehicle, I did wonder if I could double fire
that single injector to get more flow, but the total flow is the
problem, I might have to come down and show my turbo off.
The MegaSquirt EFI computer uses a two chanel batch fire
system, and operates by grounding the injectors for the
programed MS bandwidth, too bad it isn't a MAF type system,
I prefer that type over the MAP, but the kit came with a turbo
ready MAP sensor, so I'm going to see how she works.
Thanks, any info would be helpful that you can find.
Darrin