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Title: A solution to my slipyoke and lack-of-power problems
Post by: explosivo on August 14, 2005, 05:50:16 AM
SM465 and NP205 out of an old Silverado:
(http://www.omghi2.us/april05/103.tranny.jpg)
(http://www.omghi2.us/april05/104.tranny.jpg)

4.3L TBI V6 out of an S10:
(http://www.omghi2.us/april05/105.4300.jpg)

Oh no! My engine has been stolen!
(http://www.omghi2.us/april05/106.empty.jpg)

No, wait. There it is. ;D
(http://www.omghi2.us/april05/107.engine.jpg)



Surprisingly (to me), this combination should only be about 6-8 inches longer from the crank pully to the rear yoke than the stock Tracker mill. :)
Title: Re: A solution to my slipyoke and lack-of-power problems
Post by: brlj on August 14, 2005, 07:08:04 AM
I wondered about using the 4.3, but I was thinking about using a 4wd S-10 trans and transfer.
Title: Re: A solution to my slipyoke and lack-of-power problems
Post by: bandit86 on August 14, 2005, 07:34:03 AM
that old tranny, is that the one that has bow low?
Title: Re: A solution to my slipyoke and lack-of-power problems
Post by: explosivo on August 14, 2005, 07:53:04 AM
I could've used the S10 trans and tcase, but I already had a passenger side drop D44 when I got the motor.

Yeah, I think this has a really low first gear... in fact, it's a four speed, but it has L, 1, 2, and 3 marked on the shifter knob :)
Title: Re: A solution to my slipyoke and lack-of-power problems
Post by: Chief on August 14, 2005, 10:23:43 AM
You just doubled the weight of your tracker!  :o
Title: Re: A solution to my slipyoke and lack-of-power problems
Post by: explosivo on August 14, 2005, 10:55:58 AM
That's true, I'll also have 2.5 times the power... so it all works out :)

Plus this winter's project is going to be rebuilding this motor and getting it hopped up ;D
Title: Re: A solution to my slipyoke and lack-of-power problems
Post by: Zukipilot on August 14, 2005, 11:26:21 AM
HOLY BAT P :o P. Your nuts!!!!!! And I like it 8) Dude that thing is going to sling the hell out of some mud when you get that going good. Keep us updated on how the concersion is going.

Zig
Title: Re: A solution to my slipyoke and lack-of-power problems
Post by: Chief on August 14, 2005, 11:46:47 AM
That's true, I'll also have 2.5 times the power... so it all works out :)

Plus this winter's project is going to be rebuilding this motor and getting it hopped up ;D

Your weight distbution will be so outta wack....but make for some good burnouts!!  8)
Title: Re: A solution to my slipyoke and lack-of-power problems
Post by: explosivo on August 14, 2005, 02:44:52 PM
Yeah, hopefully when it's all said and done it'll be a mud-slinging monster that won't break too many parts... main reason for going 4.3L over 350 :)

I think my weight distribution was off with the other motor... just to a lesser degree ;D
Title: Re: A solution to my slipyoke and lack-of-power problems
Post by: explosivo on August 14, 2005, 04:50:12 PM
Removed unneeded bracketry:
(http://www.omghi2.us/april05/108.mountsoff.jpg)
(http://www.omghi2.us/april05/109.mountsoff2.jpg)
Title: Re: A solution to my slipyoke and lack-of-power problems
Post by: chet on August 15, 2005, 12:59:06 PM
will the np205 and sm465 fit between the frame rails ok? I had your exact combo in a toyota and it was OK but the exhaust from manifolds around the motor mounts and clutch was a bitch!

The tranny is 6.5:1 or something I can't remember now. I had 4.37 gears in my toyota axles and it would crawl most anywhere. That was with 37" tires.

Good luck and I can't wait to see it finished!
Title: Re: A solution to my slipyoke and lack-of-power problems
Post by: explosivo on August 16, 2005, 03:17:41 AM
The Tracker's frame rails are only around 2" narrower (maybe less) than the Silverado's, so it SHOULD fit in there. From what I see now, exhaust is scaring me (driver's side manifold exits about 3 inches in front of the clutch lever on the trans :-\)
Title: Re: A solution to my slipyoke and lack-of-power problems
Post by: hcgalvin on August 17, 2005, 02:50:34 PM
Waitaminute..

So that tcase is passenger side output? Whoa.

I've been thinking about going 4.3 but wasn't sure about the drop. S10 drops on the driver's side.

The tranny bolted right up though? Think an automatic would too?
Title: Re: A solution to my slipyoke and lack-of-power problems
Post by: zaggy on August 17, 2005, 03:25:24 PM
The 4.3 and the chevy small blocks all have the same bellhousing patterns.

Flywheels can get exciting pre 86, post 86 and 4.3 has some other fine points I can't remember right now.....just gotta make sure right flywheel for the intended combo.

Zag
Title: Re: A solution to my slipyoke and lack-of-power problems
Post by: chet on August 17, 2005, 03:30:33 PM
4.3's are the same bellhousing pattern as a small block 305, 350. so its easy!

Explosivo what exhaust manifolds do you have? are they the factory tube ones? If you find an astro van they have tube manifolds that the outlet flanges can be cut and turned where ever you want. Also I would suggest going to a hydro clutch if you aren't already.

The '88-91 fullsize blazers had hydro clutches witht thedrivers side lever. I used a lakewood bellhousing from a camero as it had the hydro mount on it already (I had an alum. one but kept cracking it.) but I needed to have the trans hole enlarged to fit the sm465 bearing.

Also while you have the tcase out, do the mod to make it twin stick (requires removing one of the shift levers and some grinding.) gives you front WD only as well as 2WD low. very nice mod. and free.
Title: Re: A solution to my slipyoke and lack-of-power problems
Post by: explosivo on August 20, 2005, 08:55:39 PM
I've gathered some parts, done a LITTLE work, and snapped some pics:

Pile of stuff from the dash:
(http://www.omghi2.us/april05/110.dashguts.jpg)

No more dash:
(http://www.omghi2.us/april05/111.dashgutted1.jpg)
(http://www.omghi2.us/april05/112.dashgutted2.jpg)

These pics are with my old ass 33's. It'll be able to fit upwards of a 38" tire with the body lift without any problem:
(http://www.omghi2.us/april05/113.sideshot.jpg)

(http://www.omghi2.us/april05/114.cornershot.jpg)

(http://www.omghi2.us/april05/115.assshot.jpg)

(http://www.omghi2.us/april05/116.frontshot.jpg)


Gonna be a bit taller than I thought (unless the engine/drivetrain squats the suspension down quite a bit, which it might). Going to have to throw stockers on and let the air out when I go to pull it out of the garage ;D
Title: Re: A solution to my slipyoke and lack-of-power problems
Post by: whitfield on August 21, 2005, 01:54:15 AM
Looks like this will be a fun learned alot experience.   Should be an awsome ride once it makes it out of the garage.   Getting the combo dependable in the Kick might take some doing Round peg square hole thing...  But once it is right,  Look Out!!! 

I've seen Kick frames begin to distort with mild wheeling in stock combinations.  Might look to add support & plate at the engine and tranny mounts.   Maybe additional crossmembers too.

That thing's gonna be a monster.  :o :o :o
Title: Re: A solution to my slipyoke and lack-of-power problems
Post by: explosivo on August 21, 2005, 06:27:45 AM
Before I placed the engine in it, I lifted one side of the axle with the floor jack to get the tires on the front axle, and with the IFS crossmember removed, the frame flexed like you would not believe ;D

Plans are to have 1/4" plating on the inside of the framerails where the engine mounts/cradle mount to distribute weight and stiffen that portion of the frame, have a removable cradle/crossmember under the bellhousing and have the transmission crossmember for a total of 3 crossmembers in about 40" space ;D. There will also be more frame extension/stiffening done in the rear, as well as a new front bumper and a cage that ties in with the frame (possibly going to the front corners to aid in stiffening). Should be pretty sturdy when I get done :)
Title: Re: A solution to my slipyoke and lack-of-power problems
Post by: superspook01 on January 09, 2006, 11:44:11 AM
well im  putting a 5.7 in my tracker. couple problems so far. one. steering. im still on the stock front axle and rear, will change them at a later date, but my steering shaft now hits my motor mounts. did you have any steering problems or just get a toyota ifs box? two.and were can i get a detailed wiring diagram. the chilton one is not any help. i got a painless wiring harness but i still need to terminate the ends at the right spot.