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ZUKIWORLD Discussion Forum => Suzuki 4x4 Forum => Topic started by: RIKSTR on March 07, 2005, 03:36:39 PM
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I need to get some super strong CV's for my VIT
does anyone have some ideas(no i am not going SAS!)
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;Dhttp://www.zukiworld.com/month_040103/feature_hagencvshaft.htm ;D
That ought to help,
Zig
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What ever happened to the Tora CV's that Kerrtwittig was working on??? This would be the way to go.
George
(http://www.rock4xfabrication.com/images/tora/torasneak.jpg)
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The Tora Tora's shoud be available within weeks.
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You wouldn't know Who will be making them RockRat or kerry???
George
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You wouldn't know Who will be making them RockRat or kerry???
George
No idea. I would just keep in contact with Kerry.
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Half ton chevy!!
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Do you know something?
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Do you know something?
Nope. Not a thing. But I do know that last time I heard, Kerry was supposed to be getting the Tora Tora's ready for sale around the same time as EJS/Zukfari.
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Well, OK, after saying what I did, I decided to call last night...
Looks like there will not be any Tora Tora axles after all. Seems nobody wants to pay what they were going to cost (probably $200 per axle)...
*sigh*
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how did they figure that out? The only way to see if someone will pay is to actually build them! Just going on prospective buyers is not a way to do it. Too bad I would have considered these over going solid axle but now my mind is made up.
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We are making a comp car, but are keeping it IFS to piss off the big boys when a IFS Suzuki rounds them up!
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Well, OK, after saying what I did, I decided to call last night...
Looks like there will not be any Tora Tora axles after all.  Seems nobody wants to pay what they were going to cost (probably $200 per axle)...
*sigh*
Are you sure Carry wasn't just mess'n with ya. After the Flat tire on the Indian reservation story (Melt 02)
I can see that he theroughly enjoys having a cold one and jerkin some ones chain.
I also was looking forward to the release of the new product.
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Well, OK, after saying what I did, I decided to call last night...
Looks like there will not be any Tora Tora axles after all.  Seems nobody wants to pay what they were going to cost (probably $200 per axle)...
*sigh*
Hmmm,
Well I'd have no problem paying $200 an axle but I'd just like to see a set out there proving they are the
sh!t first then I'd consider ordering some. But I'm also not going to order a "unobtainuim" set that hasn't been tested out first ::).
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damn that means no 36" iroks, just when you get your hopes up all comes crashing down.
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Here's the story...........
I have them working, BUT..........
The cost of producing, along with liability (insurance), prohibit these being profitable.
Also there are some politics that I just don't want to address. M. Hagen has been great about "refining" what indeed is his original idea, turned reality when he first did the homework a couple of years ago. Mike and I have discussed this privately and I feel all is well on that front.........BUT there are those in the aftermarket industry that have "expressed" extreme displeasure with this axle being available to the Zuk market especially from SOS. Therefore I'm dropping this project.
Let me state that this was decided a few weeks ago by myself and Gary. I'm now going to be gone until probably Nov. before I get back to even having a chance to really beat on them. So another year will have gone by and that is all dependent on whether or not I have an Anvil to bolt under the Tracker (mine is on it's way back to the distributor to be checked out).
Sorry for the carrot being dangled and then pulled away, but there are finacial/liability/and political circumstances that I have decided are not worth the time, money and bad feelings directed towards me to continue. Some times it's better to let Buck Owens bullies feel in control. and worthwhile.
On that note, also the "unobtanium" appears to be unobtainable to the buying public. In order to fit the rear Trac/Kick carrier in an Anvil like housing, there would have to be a new oil pan/pickup tube, along with an engine lift to make it work as far as "my" vision sees it. My hope was to be able to have it "bolt-in" but with all the mods that "I" see that would have to be done it's not an afternoon with a jack and hand tools in the driveway operation, which is what the hope was. I just don't see it as a follow the instruction sheet  type of install. SO...........................There you go. If anyone wants some info on what I found had to take place ask away. We spent about 150 hrs and $900 in the "R & D" stage. So if I can pass on any info I would be glad to.
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so does the mean no strong CV's?
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so does the mean no strong CV's?
It means you have to make your own, using Mike Hagen's technique. :(
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It means you have to make your own, using Mike Hagen's technique.  :(
I'm still waiting to see Mikes IFS Toy Cv swap. I had a look at some the other day and it looks like it could work but it would be great to see what Mike has done to speed up the process.
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I have no real experience with this, but I was talking to a guy at Zukimelt last year who claims that Nissan Maxima axles and CVs bolted right into his 93 Kick.
Just throwing it out there...
Like I said, I don't know for sure he wasn't spoofin'
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I have no real experience with this, but I was talking to a guy at Zukimelt last year who claims that Nissan Maxima axles and CVs bolted right into his 93 Kick.
Just throwing it out there...
Like I said, I don't know for sure he wasn't spoofin'
He was spoofin! Im running maxima axles and they definately didnt bolt in!
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I'm still waiting to see Mikes IFS Toy Cv swap. I had a look at some the other day and it looks like it could work but it would be great to see what Mike has done to speed up the process.
Im actually not the one doing this anymore. A friend of mine with machinist connections has taken over the project. He has a set in a rig and has been running the set up. This really does look promising. Right now cost of production and test time is the biggest hold up. He has mentioned that he has thought about seeing if a current suzuki vendor would be interested in buying the idea. It might actually be profitable if a vendor built them since they could eliminate the middle man. Machinist are expensive. Before he presents anything he wants to know what , if any, problems might exist. The good news is something will come of this in the next couple of months, one way or another. ;)
Mike
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Thanks Mike. One concern I've had is beefing them up to a point where the CV won't break and the weak point becomes something more major/expensive to fix like the r&p. Time will tell I suppose.
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Has anyone been able to get just the cages? As this is all I've been breaking. I would be quite happy to just swap the cage over on the trail as it doesn't take very long.
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Who is Buck Owens
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what about doing the same process to the cv's as is done to the older longfields or smurfields for toyotas? Could maybe heat treat the cages and the bells and give a little more strength? I know it helped my toyota birfs!
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I was thinking of a sleeve to slide over the cages to keep them from splitting ;)
Kevin
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Oh Buck Owens, He is a Bakersfield guy ;)
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I was thinking of a sleeve to slide over the cages to keep them from splitting ;)
Kevin
I was going to try the same as thats what all ways
sh!ts out on mine too. Every time mine blows it bends the flange on the L/H inner axle and I believe by containing the damage to the inside the joint it will at least save my inner axle flanges if nothing else.
I'm going to kinda make a Birfeild ring set up for them but have it split in two and held together with 10mm
cap screws instead of heating and slipping it over.
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Who is Buck Owens
Isn't he that space-hero from the 50's? ;D ;D
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Before he presents anything he wants to know what , if any, problems might exist. The good news is something will come of this in the next couple of months, one way or another.  ;)
Mike
how are you fitting them?
Is it a matter of mach down to the same outer spec ,or inner spec. ???
I wouldn't mind a little info to see what we can come up with. :-/
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how are you fitting them?
Is it a matter of mach down to the same outer spec ,or inner spec. ???
I wouldn't mind a little info to see what we can come up with. :-/
Its a matter of machining spacers and bolting Toyota shafts in. The Toyota shafts are not modified in any way. I am not going to give specs on a freinds product. I really shouldnt have said anything untill everything was ready to go but I just wanted to let people know a cure is comming for the weak stock CVs. When they are availible I will make sure that everybody knows about it.
Mike
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I was thinking of a sleeve to slide over the cages to keep them from splitting ;)
Kevin
The cage is inside the CV cup, it's to the
CV what a bearing cage is to a roller bearing
assembly, some guys are blowing up the cup
it's self, and Bobzuki said he blew out the outer
CV which does not have a cage, since it does
not move in and out like the cup side does.
The outer CV could have a ring added to it
to help make it stronger, but I think the most
common failure is the cage, followed by the
cup splitting, and the outer CV is the last thing
to blow up.
Wild
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I think the most common failure is the cage, followed by the cup splitting, and the outer CV is the last thing to blow up.
Yeah - mind you, my original axle blew with no external signs of carnage, so I guess the inner cage cratered. BUT - the NAPA spare I put in, exploded the outer cup - I mean a good third of the cup just went away!
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Somebody needs to PM me with all of the juicy details.
I thought we were all here to share information and not let 'politiks' interfere.
Lame.
~Nate
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Its a matter of machining spacers and bolting Toyota shafts in. The Toyota shafts are not modified in any way.
Mike
Nate, what politics? What else do you want to know? Stan has a lot of time and money invested in this. I dont think I should be telling everyone how to build there own by giving specs on something that has cost well over $1000 dollars in machine work and countless hours of trial and error to come up with. I dont think thats lame at all. I think its cool that someone has finally come up with a solution. I dont need them, neither does Stan. We have both already built something that works for us. Nobody is going to get rich off this. Stan will have a hard time breaking even at this point since the cost of production is so high. By the time he realized the cost he was already in too deep to turn back. BTW Stan was running a modified version of this in his rig which in case anybody doesnt already know is riding on 37s. The setup works, we just dont know in what applications. We do know that some aplications need to be widened. I know that he is currently trying to change that. Thats the main holdup.
Mike
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Well,
We've all found some solution to our individual problems to a point. But I feel bad that if somebody has a good design and is willing to share it or even sell it, (which is the nature of a BBS like this) and then they feel like they shouldn't because of 'politiks' like what Kerry expressed in his statement below.
BUT there are those in the aftermarket industry that have "expressed" extreme displeasure with this axle being available to the Zuk market especially from SOS. Therefore I'm dropping this project.
It’s this type of thought that just might hurt all of us. It appears that latest actions have stifled imagination, inhibited innovation and is against the entrepreneurial freedoms we enjoy here in the US. If it’s a design that wasn't patented, wasn’t trademarked or even registered, then in a free market its fair game, even if it might be immoral to some.
This leads me to say that I think the more options we have as Suzuki owners the better.
I know that I might be stepping into a HUGE pile of dung here AND I may be talking about things which aren’t at the real issue being discussed.
But I feel comfortable in saying and to summarize my point; I think that it is sad that somebody has to feel like they need to stop work due to the extreme displeasure expressed by those in the industry.
These are forces which may not be in the best interest of others or us Suzuki owners as a whole.
~Nate
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Dang thats wordy.
~Nate
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... Stan has a lot of time and money invested in this. I dont think I should be telling everyone how to build there own by giving specs on something that has cost well over $1000 dollars in machine work and countless hours of trial and error to come up with. I dont think thats lame at all. I think its cool that someone has finally come up with a solution. I dont need them, neither does Stan. We have both already built something that works for us. Nobody is going to get rich off this. Stan will have a hard time breaking even at this point since the cost of production is so high. By the time he realized the cost he was already in too deep to turn back. BTW Stan was running a modified version of this in his rig which in case anybody doesnt already know is riding on 37s. The setup works, we just dont know in what applications. We do know that some aplications need to be widened. I know that he is currently trying to change that. Thats the main holdup.
Mike
Mike,
The rest of this appears to be a different subject to me. I may have my head in the sand or am so far removed from the subject that I just don't know.
I do know that I don't know how your design, Stan's design or Kerry's design came to be. Nor do I know how they are related, nor much of anything else about them. So I can't really intellegently speak to this topic.
As I said earlier
I know that I might be stepping into a HUGE pile of dung here AND I may be talking about things which aren’t at the real issue being discussed.
for this I appologize and will now S.T.F.U. (ShutTheFarkUp)
~Nate
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Nate,
I think what Mike is trying to say is these guys have put a lot of time, effort, and money into what they are working on. If they plan on marketing their products, they don't want to give away all of their secrets.
If I told you how to build something I was planning on selling, why would you buy it from me when you could build it yourself?
Just my .02. I really don't want to get in the middle of anything. ;)
Cwkick
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Nate,
Having Moab Withdrawals :-/ ;D Yea, me too  ;)
And I did get some sand out of my ears yesterday :o
Zig
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Nate,
Having Moab Withdrawals :-/ ;D Yea, me too  ;)
Zig
Ya! What he said! You guys have been kind of bitchy considering you just got back from vacation! ;D
Cwkick
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Ya! What he said!  You guys have been kind of bitchy considering you just got back from vacation!  ;D
Cwkick
Yea, I have $hit piled so deep it's crazy (after almost 2 weeks off ::))
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Welp, I did a little research into all of this because its so hard to 'get it' via text sometimes. but I think I got the basic run down, now I feel like I shoulda just kept my mouth shut.
Its amazing how quickly things can get misconstrued, and mis-understood, especially when one doesn't have all or even part of the facts/information.
Sorry for the hoopla guys.
~Nate
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Nate,
Having Moab Withdrawals :-/ ;D Yea, me too ;)
And I did get some sand out of my ears yesterday :o
Zig
:)
Yah, of course!
I met a TON of kewl people down there I wish I could wheel with all of the time.
~Nate
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Ya! What he said! You guys have been kind of bitchy considering you just got back from vacation! ;D
Cwkick
Yah, I know.
Keep keeping us in check!
~Nate
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Nate,
I think what Mike is trying to say is these guys have put a lot of time, effort, and money into what they are working on. If they plan on marketing their products, they don't want to give away all of their secrets.
This I totally understand and honor.
Just my .02. I really don't want to get in the middle of anything. ;)
Cwkick
I think it's too late for me
~Nate
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Sorry for the hoopla guys.
You hoople-head! ::)