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ZUKIWORLD Discussion Forum => Suzuki 4x4 Forum => Topic started by: SWIPER on November 10, 2005, 02:59:24 PM
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Simple question:
If you take out your factory filter and airbox from a Tracker/GV and put in one of these:
(http://www.diamondstarmotorsport.com/intakeparts_files/2gfipk.jpg)
Does it make an improvement? I put in one of those...
(http://kandn.com/images/l/33-2178.jpg)
drop in K&N filters a while ago, but I wonder if the cone filter thingy pictured above will sound different or create any additional power? If the next step to cut a hole in the hood and put one of these on?
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I have the one in the middle, nice and quiet and it adds about 50 h.p. with the 16v upgrade ;D
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Well i have the cone filter it does make a different in sound. as to the 50 hp i got ripped i would say 2-5 tops
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oh oh, here we go again
well if you put thesticker on your back window, it gives you 10 hp. if you advertise on both doors, you get 25 hp
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i found that my truck got worse mileage with the cone filter being that it is sitting right over the exhaust so i put the factory air box back in with the k&n filter. now it seems to run better when hot and the gas mileage improved a bit.
derek
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Well I got a much smaller scoop, but
it came from a Nissan 300ZX Turbo,
so it adds 80 HP
(http://wildcatent.freeyellow.com/hoodscoop.jpg)
Wild
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oh oh, here we go again
well if you put thesticker on your back window, it gives you 10 hp. if you advertise on both doors, you get 25 hp
I never read the instuctions that came with mine and foolishly put my sticker on the rear R/H side window :-[
Wish I had read them now ;)
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All your need is a 3" exhuast pipe J bend, and a $12.00 ebay Stainless steel mesh cone filter, the blitz copy they sell, and attach it to the stock rubber hose, My filter end points to the firewall and is protected from mud and water. adds a nice growl and some power too!
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My 93 had a K&N cone filter from a 90's Ford Mustang 5.0L that my buddy had sitting around. Worked great and he said he didn't have any problems putting it on and gained a little power when he did it. He simply clamped it onto the end of the stock intake tube thingy going towards the fender and "bodged together" some bracing to hold it up.
After I bought it I left it alone because it didn't give me any trouble. It was rather protected as it was all the way over by the fender, got some direct cold air from the fender hole, and had all the stuff around it to keep it clear of flying muck.
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My mate, put a cone on and i have a replacement filter, the cone sounds better, watch out for puddles, depending where you are gointo put!
Dont want any water getting in!
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I'm going to add my 2 pennys here ...
First, the "low restriction" filters (aka K&N) really aren't going to add much. Search around for actual flow comparisons and you'll find they don't do much. People "claim" they do, but honestly I think it's a placebo effect.
Second, if you're offroading (and likely to be in a dusty environment), do you really wanna toast an engine for a neglible increase in performance?
If you wanna prove me wrong ... run three 1/4 mile runs with a nice clean stock paper filter ... then run three 1/4's without any filter at all ... post up the results.
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I forgot to add ... IF you have modified your engine and/or exhaust then you do NEED to open up the in flow ...
My point tho, with a stock engine and exhaust, an "aftermarket" filter only gets you a sticker in the window.
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Guys, now ya done it I'm gonna preach........
I keep repeating the engine is a system if you are gonna let more in then ya gotta let more
out.
If all you do is put on a low restriction airfilter I would be surprised if you get more than 1-2hp, if that. It will sound cool, look cool but by itself without the magic decal it ain't gonna do much.
If you install a low restriction aircleaner AND a good low restriction exhaust BOTH will work together to give you a noticable performance boost. Add a header, now yer cookin.
Just my opinion, based on spending alot of money over the years.
Zag
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I'm gonna put an old MSD sticker on mine so i can go faster! the actual unit left me with my honda.... but i still got stickers! AND the one that says that its DOT legal! talk about FLYIN'!!! nah, forreal tho, how's this... snorkel, K&n, MSD (the 6AL, or offroad unit), blaster 2 coil pack, what kind of header for a 96 16v? no cat-converter.... and finally i need help on some kind of muffler... stock, turbo, glasspack, or should i go big with a magnaflow, or dynomax.... oh yeah... some Iridium spark plugs and Tailor 8mm performance plug wires.... that is my dream setup on my tracker right now.... welll, except for the 4.3 v6 of course!! but since my engine runs good as it is, i don't want to replace it right now.... oh yeah, a couple other things you can add to all of this... a new cam, port and polish (or whatever it is when you get bigger pistons and stuff), high output alternator, optima red top battery, synthetic oils, run premium gas all the time.... new high performance fuel injectors, tweaking on the computer (which i don't know much info about)... umm, what else guys? i've actually said everything i can think of that is performance related only... this exludes gears and such.....oh yeah, no nitrous oxide either because that sounds stupid on a 4x4....supercharger, MAYBE, if they make them for the track/kick.... (i've seen one on a sami on here somewhere)
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OK. so the vehicle is a 2003 chevy tracker 2.0 L with a 5 speed.ÂÂ
- I have gotten rid of the exhaust manifold and its stupid"pre-cat" catalitic converter #1.
- I have also gotten rid of the factory equipped catalitic converter #2
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- All this has been replaced by a set of header pipes from suzisport.com and a magnaflow (supposedly free-flow) universal ODB2 compliant catalitic converter.
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- The factory exhaust pipes are still there (no big diametre pipes yet)
- A magnaflow free flow muffler.
All this plus a k&n drop in filter. So once again the question....is it worth while to stick one of those superdee-duperdee cone filters on....or will there be no difference at all?
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I think you will get some difference with the swap seeing as you have the other mods.
But it might not be the best idea if you do alot of off roading or water fording.
Zag
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If you install a low restriction aircleaner AND a good low restriction exhaust BOTH will work together to give you a noticable performance boost. Add a header, now yer cookin.
Take what Zag said, then add a rebuild, plane the head .010, port and polish, throttle body spacer and a Calmini cam and you'll find that there is a bit of performance to be had outta the old 8v ;)
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I have two cones on a three way piece of pipe.......SHE ROARS! but not a lot more, i don't reckon the power has improved at all and my fuel consumption seems to have gone up? I think its because i rag the engine to hear the roar!!
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(http://www.autoprotoys.com/s-s-filter.jpg)
The Stainless mesh filters flow WAY MORE then any k&n, but some people might not feel comfortable running one since you can literally run one of these under a faucet and it runs thru like there is nothing there. the Mesh is very very very fine though, i cant see anyway it would hurt a motor.
on the topic of panel filters, sure they work great too, however its the airbox design in a alot of vehicles that hold things back and not make any more power, they put restrictors and funky baffles on the airbox to cut down on noise and may cut down flow too. somthing to think about.
another thing to think about is that these are little trucks but they are 4x4s and a bit heavier then a regular car!
My old 92 ford festiva only had a glasspack, cone filter and bumped up timing, its a 63 horsepower 1.3, but the car FLEW!, it would run circles around my tracker with 2" gutted cat back glasspack cone filter, etc, etc... the little festiva would eat cavaliers and stuff!, its call power to weight ratio.. and these truckets dont have such a good power to weight ratio.
After i get years of good use out of my tracker and finnaly be able to afford a subaru wrx sti,
then the time will come along where i can pull the tracker back out and do a small block chevy swap. ;)
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I would think the ultimate Tracker/sidekick Engine swap candidate would be a late model mazda RX7 engine. Simply for the low weight/high output nature of it. Throw a pair of side draft 4 barrel carbs on it, twin turbos, intercooler etc... and your tracker would maintain its lithe curb weight, but gain massive boost in the ponies! Might want to beef up the driveline if you go this route though :)
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a N/a rotory IS a great swap, i saw a tracker with a rotary at lakeland drag strip in fl race one time, just a street port, very streetable setup, about 3 feet of air under the tires at launch and he almost hit the wall!
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There is a guy in deland who has a tracker w/rotary for sale. I think he is asking a little on the steep side, he wants $3700 for it. If the price was a bit lower, I would have bit on it.
He also wasn't very polite on the phone, seemed quite rude and bad attitude. Oh well, win some, loose some :)
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so in my lwb sami ( 1.6 8 v swap ), with my custom build exaust ( 2 " no cat and a flow tech red hot glass pack ) would i notice any thing by putting a k&n cone on? what do u guys mean by it changes the sound? im a little lost on that one.... i gotta build a hood scoop or customize my intake soon to for hood/engine clearance before i wear a hole through my intake ::) , any one ever put a 92 aluminum intake on an 89 throttle body?
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festiva, what are you talking about bad power to weight ratio?? i think you're crazy! all i've got done to mine is a catless exhaust, and its faster than i could have ever imagined! the only problem i have is burning tires... the most i can do is spin out in water or gravel, and just make a slight squeak on pavement... but as far as acceleration, i couldn't ask for more... i haven't been past 70, but that's just because when i get that fast, i'm doin like 5000 RPM in fifth gear or somethign like that... i'm afraid that running that high RPM for so long will ruin the motor...
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Again compared to a regular FWD car, these vehicles have a bad power to wieght ratio!.
but ya have to think, they were never designed to be hot street machines. they were designed to a durable small displacement engine with useable torque, somthing that you dont have in most fwd small cars. torque that can take you up a long tall incline without shifting out of 5th gear and still maintain 65mph. where for instance my old festiva i would have to get into 3rd and scream it to hold speed up the hill.
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....supercharger, MAYBE, if they make them for the track/kick.... (i've seen one on a sami on here somewhere)
Really ??
Maybe this one ?
(http://www.nitromax.nl/SamAccelFull.jpg)
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Nonono, not braggin', just trying to help (http://www.motor-forum.nl/forum/images/smilies/hypocrite.gif)
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no, not quite.. this was in a red sami.... on another subject... i don't know... maybe it would make you faster, but to be honest it looks like crap.... that picture looks like everything is just thrown together... maybe this is just coming from my import craze from a few years back, but in the engine compartment, the aesthetics are just as important as the performance... like, i bought that MSD thing, and a blaster II coil pack (both red), so i bought the tailor 8mm performance wires in red, and bought a pack of wire spacers in red... i was gonna paint the valve cover and other parts red, but never got around to it... but yeah... the wires came from the plugs, straight up all parallel to each other, and bent perfectly to join at the spacers... then they came up and around the valve cover and to the distributor... all perfect, tidy, etc. etc...
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Twan, I would really watch what you say here if i were you. you posted some pretty nasty and uncalled for comments,
Nitromax's setup looks great, and just about everyone on this board would KILL to have a setup like that!, i bet he is making some very respectable AND dead reliable power too!
nitromax,can you give us some details on your setup?
Im guessing these were only available for a very short time right?
I bet the intake is either custom or very hard to find right?
Sort of like the old skool VW rabbit blowers from the 80's that worked very very well.
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so yea, i threw on a k & n cone filter seemed to work fine until i noticed a hesitation if i pop the throttle on fast a few times, is this commen? should get some of that seafoam stuff for the throttle body? any idea why it would do this?.... other then that i did notice a bit better pick up on the hyway and can now get a little more bent on wet corners :P
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I apologize... i didn't mean to offend anybody... basically, my point is that i'm used to, and would rather look at a cleaner engine bay...
anyway, on another subject... has anyone tried those Fram Airhogs? are they even around anymore? I always thought those were basically an expensive replacement filter that didn't do much, maybe SLIGHTLY better than original... but someone said they are actually low restriction and real good on performance... any comments on these? the cheapest place i can find a K&N is at a local autoparts store, they have to order it, and its gonna cost me 47 i believe... autozone and advance will cost my like 50 and 55.... can i find them online for cheaper? even after paying shipping, etc.? in other words, if the price PLUS shipping is going to be more than just buying one from a store, it will be a waste of money, right?