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Starter problems on a '99

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Offline mckellyb

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Starter problems on a '99
« on: April 15, 2007, 11:16:49 PM »
I've had what I thought was a funky relay for a while now, and it was a problem only during either warm weather, over 85F ambient, or within ten minutes of shutting the engine off.

Warm wasn't a problem...but we've been in Vegas for two years and it's gotten more temperature sensitive, i.e. lower temps affect it.  It's already been warm enough to make it require a dozen turns of the key to turn over and this gets old.  I won't mention how creative I get with language should I kill it during traffic.  This sheet metal isn't deflecting a .32 caliber bullet much less a 9MM or .45.

It was time for belts & hoses, so I did those last week.  It went well besides me wanting to smack the guy who "designed" the A/C & PS belt tensioner.  Idiot.

When looking at the starter, and after trying to remove it last year, it was obvious the alternator must be moved, not necessarily removed, for room enough to access the terminal on the back of the solenoid.  Fine, this time is as good as any.

I yank the starter, take it to a rebuild place here in town, get it back, put it in, and whadda know, the same problem is there, though at least when it cranks, it's both faster and better-sounding.  I neglected to mark the solenoid to ensure it was replaced, as I said, "it needs a new solenoid" at least three times when dropping it off.  Guy even said they put one on when I picked it up.  However, this is Vegas, land of rolling the dice....

Could it be related to the ignition switch in the column, somewhere?  I know I need to check to make certain the signal wire at the solenoid is getting power, but we're moving Wednesday, so I'm reluctant to dig into something which is currently mobile, if you have enough patience.

Ideas?
'99 GV JLX+,manual front hubs,F&R 5.12 'Kick diffs,KYB's all around, tube & fin A/C condenser which shames the OEM one,Jeep TJ spring spacers on rear coils,225/75/16 BFG AT's, Yellow Box,missing lower half of the airbox (sound reasons),set up to tow behind a big diesel motorhome...XL rear axle soon?

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Offline Novadon

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Re: Starter problems on a '99
« Reply #1 on: April 18, 2007, 02:56:41 PM »
Ha! Been there, done that, got PO'd!  ;D

If you have a standard trans, bet it's the clutch pedal / safety switch!  ;)

It "closes" the starter circuit when you depress the pedal so that the vehicle will not start w/the clutch out. Look under the dash at the clutch pedal linkage. See it? NOPE, that's not it (you found the switch the disconnects the cruise control).  :P

Look ABOVE that switch! Yep! There it is. Hard to get to as well. Pull the connector off and jumper the two wires. Starts now huh!  :)

Here is what you are looking for...
http://info.rockauto.com/SMP/SMPDetail3.html?NS119.html
A $24 item. Took mine apart and saw just a LITTLE bit of carbon arching on one of the contacts. That's all it takes!

If you have an auto trans, check the neutral safety switch instead.   ;)

Oh! The starter WILL come out from above, but it's TIGHT! (and you don't have to move the alternator).
« Last Edit: April 18, 2007, 03:18:39 PM by Novadon »
99' Suzuki Grand Vitara, 2.5, 4wd, 5spd.
72 Nova, SB, A/C, Power disk/drum & steering,
03' Honda Odyssey

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Re: Starter problems on a '99
« Reply #2 on: May 06, 2007, 10:45:30 AM »
Did you get it squared away?  ???

99' Suzuki Grand Vitara, 2.5, 4wd, 5spd.
72 Nova, SB, A/C, Power disk/drum & steering,
03' Honda Odyssey