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Engine Question
« on: September 07, 2004, 11:22:29 AM »
I was talking to a car tuner here, and was telling him about me thinking of changing my 16v to a 2000cc & turbo.

He was giving me some ideas to make my 16v really get up and go. 1st on the list was high compression pistons (anyone know where i can get some of these for the 16v?)
2nd was some head work, planing and porting (intake & exhaust), I should have had this done when i put in the Hawk cam.
3rd was (2) side draft carbs and dump the efi, to which i totally agree, had too many ecu probs in the pass. (where can i get a intake manifold for 2 carbs for the 16v?)

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Re: Engine Question
« Reply #1 on: September 07, 2004, 12:26:17 PM »
I think that you would be going backwards, a 16 valve with a good exhaust, a k&n filter and a samurai flywheel should be good for about 120 h.p.  a 2.0 is 145 h.p. stock, with the exhaust onit plus the k&n and a samurai flywheel I could see an easy 165 h.p.  the next step would be a 4.3 vortec.   How much power do you need? have you ever driven a 2.0 rig? take it to 6 grand and dump the clutch see what happends ;D
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Re: Engine Question
« Reply #2 on: September 07, 2004, 12:31:41 PM »
How have you found the Hawk cam? What sort of improvement has it made and where does the power develop/flatten/drop off?
I take it you're not doing these mods for offroading? The EFI is much better for offroad as angles don't effect it. The 16V head actually flows very well although a little cleaning up wouldn't hurt. As I understand it the Hawk cam was designed for low down and the mods you are suggesting are for high end so really you would need a new cam designed or you won't have a package that is working together but rather something that may not do anything well. Have you looked at running a piggyback computer? The compression is already reasonable so you would need to run some high octane to deal with any further increase in compression.

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Re: Engine Question
« Reply #3 on: September 07, 2004, 01:10:45 PM »
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I think that you would be going backwards, a 16 valve with a good exhaust, a k&n filter and a samurai flywheel should be good for about 120 h.p.  a 2.0 is 145 h.p. stock, with the exhaust onit plus the k&n and a samurai flywheel I could see an easy 165 h.p.  the next step would be a 4.3 vortec.   How much power do you need? have you ever driven a 2.0 rig? take it to 6 grand and dump the clutch see what happends ;D


Dont forget a 2.0 with a turbo kicks out more hp than a stock V6. I already have a calmini header and full 2" exhaust, and a ractive sports filter along with a accel superstock ignition coil. I've driven a stock 2.0 auto grand vitara and it definitely had more torque than my
1.6 with its mods. I plan on running 33's or 34's in the future, and do a fair amount of highway driving. The 4.3 vortec is out of my league. How does the sammy flywheel work in the 16v?

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Re: Engine Question
« Reply #4 on: September 07, 2004, 01:16:58 PM »
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How have you found the Hawk cam? What sort of improvement has it made and where does the power develop/flatten/drop off?
I take it you're not doing these mods for offroading? The EFI is much better for offroad as angles don't effect it. The 16V head actually flows very well although a little cleaning up wouldn't hurt. As I understand it the Hawk cam was designed for low down and the mods you are suggesting are for high end so really you would need a new cam designed or you won't have a package that is working together but rather something that may not do anything well. Have you looked at running a piggyback computer? The compression is already reasonable so you would need to run some high octane to deal with any further increase in compression.


The hawk cam works fine, it picks up from about 1500rpm and goes to about 4500rpm. It is more noticable when climbing. I've looked around for piggyback comps for the 16v ecu and cant find any, do u know where i can find one?

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Re: Engine Question
« Reply #5 on: September 07, 2004, 01:28:06 PM »
Can't remember the weight difference but it is quite substantial. You can get your flywheel lightened by a few lbs.
If you want to stick with the 1.6 you could always bore it and put in some Miata 78mm pistons but a supercharger would be nice.

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Re: Engine Question
« Reply #6 on: September 07, 2004, 01:59:40 PM »
I've looked around for piggyback comps for the 16v ecu and cant find any, do u know where i can find one?

Try these guys, they should be able to sort something out.

http://www.unichip.us/index2.html

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Re: Engine Question
« Reply #7 on: September 07, 2004, 05:59:08 PM »
The sammie flywheel and clutch bolts right up and I believe it is 15 lbs lighter so for racing it revs quicker and the rpm's drop faster for those speed shifts ;D I beat a t-100 toyota pick up the other day he backed off at about 70 mph when he was three cars behind 8)
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Re: Engine Question
« Reply #8 on: September 12, 2004, 12:09:44 PM »
I've done some searching on the net, and found a site with a guy who is using motorcycle carbs on a zuki motor. Check it out.
http://www.ado13.com/dohczuke/dohc.htm

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Re: Engine Question
« Reply #9 on: September 12, 2004, 12:30:07 PM »
Those are Weber carbs, not MC carbs,
they do work, not smog legal and could
be a PITA to tune and keep synced

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Re: Engine Question
« Reply #10 on: September 12, 2004, 03:45:55 PM »
 If you drove a Grand Vitara, it had a 2.5 V6, not a 2.0. The Vitara had a 2.0. The 2.5 had either 155(99-02) or 165(03-up), they did a slight exhaust change that was good for 10 horse. The 2.0 had 125-130 depending on what year, and the Aerio had 145. I think it was an exhaust/computer difference. Is the 16v in a kick or a sammy?
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Re: Engine Question
« Reply #11 on: September 12, 2004, 08:44:14 PM »
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If you drove a Grand Vitara, it had a 2.5 V6, not a 2.0. The Vitara had a 2.0. The 2.5 had either 155(99-02) or 165(03-up), they did a slight exhaust change that was good for 10 horse. The 2.0 had 125-130 depending on what year, and the Aerio had 145. I think it was an exhaust/computer difference. Is the 16v in a kick or a sammy?


The 16v is in a kick
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Re: Engine Question
« Reply #12 on: September 12, 2004, 11:46:38 PM »
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Those are Weber carbs, not MC carbs,
they do work, not smog legal and could
be a PITA to tune and keep synced

Wild


When you get to the pic of the Weber carbs you have gone too far  ;D There are plenty of alternative jets and needles for most m/c carbs but the problem would be finding someone who has the jets and a car dyno.
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