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Limited Slip Diff   V   Locker?

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Offline chrisvitarasport94

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Limited Slip Diff   V   Locker?
« on: June 12, 2004, 12:37:28 AM »
I understand the difference in operation & cost, but in practical use does the LSD have any shortcomings over the Locker?
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Re: Limited Slip Diff   V   Locker?
« Reply #1 on: June 12, 2004, 12:41:14 AM »
some slip more than they should, their is a video of a guy in a Nissan rolling over becouse he had limited slips insted of locker.  i like lockers.  i will sacrfice(big SP) the handling on road for kicking ass off road.  i hope to have a locker in front of my tracker soon cuz they work so well.

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Re: Limited Slip Diff   V   Locker?
« Reply #2 on: June 12, 2004, 02:28:15 AM »
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I understand the difference in operation & cost, but in practical use does the LSD have any shortcomings over the Locker?


Just like above.  
They slip more then they should.  

This is only my opinion so no flaming, but...

I've had several vehicles with factory LSD installed and none of them compare to the performance of a true locker, off the road.  ALL of the LSDs would let me down when 1 of my tires left the ground and forward progress would stop.   No amount of LSD would help me get higher up the road (no pun intended) and would leave me stranded or forced me into resorting to use other methods  (faster/harder).    ;D

This one feature of a LSD, means to me, that it's a pile of worthless junk in my axle housing.

The LSDs ONLY single advantage over a true locker, for me, is under sharp turning on the ice and snow.  (I travel to and from a ski resort all winter long up a very curvey road)  The LSD has plenty of give between the tires during cornerning to provide superior traction over and open diff and marginal traction over a fully locked axle, which provides zero slip and tends to push the vehicle straight.  However, this pushing is easy to over come and is a very predictable behavior.  

But if I get in too much trouble in the snow and ice, the LSD lets me down again, by not providing enough grip to BOTH the axles and I've got a one-legger again.

As for the advantages during the rest of the season?  

none.

The traction advantages of a full locker seem to always outway those of a LSD.

Again, this is just my opinion and I'm sure that other people have other thoughts and they are free to express them here to be able to provide you with the feedback you asked for.   But this is my story, and I'm stickin to it.

~Nate

P.S.  And yes, I've been VERY sure to use the appropriate fluids and have even tried the expensive aftermarket 'traction additives' with my LSDs and have had zero results.  (what a gimmick)

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Re: Limited Slip Diff   V   Locker?
« Reply #3 on: June 12, 2004, 02:31:07 AM »
The limited slip will protect you fron tearing up stuff when the locker will break driveline parts, but wont grab near as good. They work on a clutch design that will allow slip when under large forces. Where a locker, stays 'locked' in extreme situations, the limited slip will release causing loss of traction.

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Re: Limited Slip Diff   V   Locker?
« Reply #4 on: June 12, 2004, 02:37:36 AM »
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The limited slip will protect you fron tearing up stuff when the locker will break driveline parts, but wont grab near as good. They work on a clutch design that will allow slip when under large forces. Where a locker, stays 'locked' in extreme situations, the limited slip will release causing loss of traction.

Zig


True.  Been there, done that too.  (mini-spool)
Wear and tear on equipment with a full locker is greater then with a LSD.  But breakage is just a cost of off-roading, right?  :)  Or wait, don't LSDs clutches wear out too?
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Re: Limited Slip Diff   V   Locker?
« Reply #5 on: June 12, 2004, 02:44:49 AM »
I would think they would wear out like any other clutch design, but I have never owned one. I looked at them but decided on maximum traction ;D
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Re: Limited Slip Diff   V   Locker?
« Reply #6 on: June 12, 2004, 05:05:30 AM »
thank's to all - lots of thoughts to digest and I get the message

so how much better is an air locker for going in and out of locked situations?
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Re: Limited Slip Diff   V   Locker?
« Reply #7 on: June 12, 2004, 06:32:13 AM »
I had a lockright in my ford ranger,it was great even in the snow when going straight ahead.

What i didn't like was turning corners on the street,damn ratcheting sound and rear end shake sucked big time. You know its normal,but other people in your truck think its broken or something. :-/
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Re: Limited Slip Diff   V   Locker?
« Reply #8 on: June 12, 2004, 07:42:26 AM »
go with arb's front and rear if you have the money!(about 1600.00 bucks arb's x2 and compressor)if not go with a loc-rite in the rear and an arb in the front,you can also steer your rig with it off! the money that you save in not replacing all of the broken parts from the loc-rite will more than pay for the arb,(from the shock of the loc-rite unloading all of the built up torque into the axels , hubs, ect.) plus you can air up yours tires at the end of the trail ;D
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Re: Limited Slip Diff   V   Locker?
« Reply #9 on: June 12, 2004, 12:40:55 PM »
i have had lockright in rear for 2 years now.i had a welded front till recently,i fitted a lockright to the front now.i use free wheel hubs which disengages the front on road.lsd is exactly what it says.limited slip.locker is fully locked.i have power steering so this helps with the locked front.i use my zook as a daily driver and it is ok onroad and awesome offroad.last weekend i travelled 300 miles to an event,played all weekend and drove 300 miles home.



I LOVE MY LOCKRIGHTS!! ;D



P.S i broke my first birfield a few weeks ago.1 birfield in 2 years of hard work.1.6,4.16 case,31s,lockers.

shit i must try harder!

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Re: Limited Slip Diff   V   Locker?
« Reply #10 on: June 12, 2004, 03:09:17 PM »
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The limited slip will protect you fron tearing up stuff when the locker will break driveline parts, but wont grab near as good.

Zig


I disagree. I broke easier with the limited cause I would get on tire in the air spinnin like hell then it would grab and blow a cv. >:(

With a locker it was much more controled and I broke far less.

I wouldnt recomend a limited for the front for anything.

In the rear I can see it for helping in the snow in a road car, thats it. A limited in the rear has better road manners.

Mike
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Re: Limited Slip Diff   V   Locker?
« Reply #11 on: June 13, 2004, 01:40:42 AM »
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I disagree. I broke easier with the limited cause I would get on tire in the air spinnin like hell then it would grab and blow a cv. >:(

With a locker it was much more controled and I broke far less.

I wouldnt recomend a limited for the front for anything.

In the rear I can see it for helping in the snow in a road car, thats it. A limited in the rear has better road manners.

Mike


Yea, but I was talking about NORMAL DRIVERS :P J/K, I have not seen that happen, but can see where your coming from. All of them I've seen in action have been on Jeeps and Fullsize rigs. They would spin, grab, give it more gas and the limited would let go leaving them stranded in difficult situations.

In a Kick I could definately see a CV snapping if it grabed quick with a wheel spinning. Most of my CV's have been trashed from a wheel spinning in the air, then sitting back down with it still spinning :P

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Re: Limited Slip Diff   V   Locker?
« Reply #12 on: June 13, 2004, 03:46:48 AM »
I find my lock-rite is really good off road and on the street if i cost around the cornners its fine.
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Re: Limited Slip Diff   V   Locker?
« Reply #13 on: June 13, 2004, 09:38:25 AM »
In a Kick I could definately see a CV snapping if it grabed quick with a wheel spinning. Most of my CV's have been trashed from a wheel spinning in the air, then sitting back down with it still spinning







yes thats how you break cvs,launch it and land with the wheels spinning.but with lockrights you got all 4 turning and it seems to share the load.
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