Hello Guest
« previous next »
Pages: [1]   Go Down

ARB Lockers for new XL-7

  • 14 Replies
  • 3654 Views

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

*

Offline Corvin

  • 15
  • 0
  • Gender: Male
  • XL-7 on 33'
ARB Lockers for new XL-7
« on: May 13, 2005, 12:06:42 AM »
Hi! Does anybody knows which lockers can we use for XL-7 after 2003? I'v got one with steel front housing, I'v made upgrade for 33"weels but I can't find any information about lockers and front R&P except 4.3 ???
Logged
XL-7 2001 auto, winch, 2"body+3"susp.lift+coil spacers+long arms=33"M/T

   St-Petersburg, Russia
*

Offline blacknight

  • 987
  • 1
  • Gender: Male
    • Gonzookin
Re: ARB Lockers for new XL-7
« Reply #1 on: May 13, 2005, 12:37:58 AM »
Do you have a man. trans.??? If so you could get 5.12 r&p from an auto.  As for the ARB for the rear ARB doesn't have one yet  :-[
George
Logged
*

Offline the_maplebar

  • 466
  • 0
  • Gender: Male
Re: ARB Lockers for new XL-7
« Reply #2 on: May 13, 2005, 01:06:40 AM »
The XL7 has the same housing as the GV right?  If so you would need to do this upgrade

[link]www.zukiworld.com/month_030104/feature_tsb_shiftontheflyremoval.htm[/link]

and then use the Vitara/Sidekick ARB airlocker.  ARB even has that listed in the product applications for the GV
Quote
2 Grand Vitara front requires conversion using RD88, Vitara front third member assembly and free wheeling hubs.
Grand Vitara rear requires conversion using Vitara third member assembly (and upgrade to 26 spline axle shafts if required).
Logged
2002 4DR Tracker V6 ZR2.... 1.5"/2" coil spacers front/rear, BDS Strut Extensions, 235/75R15 Cooper STT... They ROCK!!!
http://www.zukiworld.com/forum/index.php?topic=35.msg111575#msg111575[/url]
*

Offline blacknight

  • 987
  • 1
  • Gender: Male
    • Gonzookin
Re: ARB Lockers for new XL-7
« Reply #3 on: May 13, 2005, 07:41:02 AM »
only the front diff is the same.  The rear is totaly different.
George
Logged
*

Offline Corvin

  • 15
  • 0
  • Gender: Male
  • XL-7 on 33'
Re: ARB Lockers for new XL-7
« Reply #4 on: May 13, 2005, 05:21:29 PM »
My front diff is totaly different too... :-[

My problem: I'v got XL7 2001 AUTO and broke stock front aluminium housing with R&P 5.13 and I
managed to find a new type front steel from XL-7 2003 with R&P 4.3. This steel thing looks much better and stronger, but has R&P much bigger than the old one. It's looks great but I couldn't change R&P! So I took
the rear 4.3 too and use them both. But it's not good for offroad.
 I asked our suzuki dealers for auto r&p. They said auto and man for this diff have the same part# - so it is my 4.3!
And I can't find any information about this new type of front diff and any products such as lockers or R&P 5.13 (5.83 better!) for it. But I like it and I don't want the old seek aluminium!
Logged
XL-7 2001 auto, winch, 2"body+3"susp.lift+coil spacers+long arms=33"M/T

   St-Petersburg, Russia
*

Offline cj

  • 1276
  • 0
  • I drive a really big ATV
Re: ARB Lockers for new XL-7
« Reply #5 on: May 29, 2005, 11:56:31 AM »
Just wondering if you can tell me the differences between the 5.13 you had and the 4.3. What's the ring diameters and bolt patterns?
Logged
*

Offline jagular7

  • 1026
  • 0
  • Gender: Male
  • Jagular7
Re: ARB Lockers for new XL-7
« Reply #6 on: May 29, 2005, 01:33:55 PM »
You could have used your diff (the drop out section with the R&P), which is aluminum, and bolt it to the steel front housing. This will give you back the 5.13 setup. You could also take both diff's to a specialist (ie. Toyota has similar setup) and have him swap the 5.13's for the 4.3's, bolt up the front axle and then have a left-over aluminum housing.
I'm about to do the same thing on the front axle. Needing to get some seals and I should be set. I'm also adding a spacer to the front and lowering the mount of the strut. (I've already done the rear.)

How did you do your lift to clear 33's?

You can't run with different ratios between front and rear axles unless the tire size reflects such. You are dragging the front while the rear is pushing hard. You will definately break something when you reach the full traction point.
Logged
Lenexa, KS
*

Offline Corvin

  • 15
  • 0
  • Gender: Male
  • XL-7 on 33'
Re: ARB Lockers for new XL-7
« Reply #7 on: May 29, 2005, 11:01:38 PM »
I'm not a ... as you think  ;D Of cause I'v got the same 4.3 in front and rear.  And I have the old rear 5.13 diff too. Now I need 5.13 in front to change them BOTH.

My lift is a long story  ;) If it is interesting, I can try to show fotos in a new topic.
Logged
XL-7 2001 auto, winch, 2"body+3"susp.lift+coil spacers+long arms=33"M/T

   St-Petersburg, Russia
*

Offline sergi

  • 307
  • 0
  • Gender: Male
Re: ARB Lockers for new XL-7
« Reply #8 on: May 30, 2005, 02:23:43 AM »
Quote

My lift is a long story  ;) If it is interesting, I can try to show fotos in a new topic.


I think it would be VERY interesting ;D
Please go ahead! ::)
Logged
Suzuki Grand Vitara 3dr TurboDiesel
Barcelona, Europe
Aquesta és la meva màquina. Creus que em pots seguir?
*

Offline jagular7

  • 1026
  • 0
  • Gender: Male
  • Jagular7
Re: ARB Lockers for new XL-7
« Reply #9 on: May 30, 2005, 03:05:01 AM »
Quote
I'm not a ... as you think  ;D Of cause I'v got the same 4.3 in front and rear.  And I have the old rear 5.13 diff too. Now I need 5.13 in front to change them BOTH.quote]

Not my intent at all, sorry.  ;)
Just some posters/readers do not understand a lot of the mechanicals of a vehicle.
Logged
Lenexa, KS
*

Offline Corvin

  • 15
  • 0
  • Gender: Male
  • XL-7 on 33'
Re: ARB Lockers for new XL-7
« Reply #10 on: May 31, 2005, 09:59:21 PM »
Quote
You could have used your diff (the drop out section with the R&P), which is aluminum, and bolt it to the steel front housing. This will give you back the 5.13 setup. You could also take both diff's to a specialist (ie. Toyota has similar setup) and have him swap the 5.13's for the 4.3's, bolt up the front axle and then have a left-over aluminum housing.
I'm about to do the same thing on the front axle. Needing to get some seals and I should be set. I'm also adding a spacer to the front and lowering the mount of the strut. (I've already done the rear.)



It's very interesting. My two diffs looks too different. Are you sure I can change inner parts?

Next week I go Ladoga trophy http://ladoga-trophy.ru/english/news.php . After it I'll bolt out my diffs and try  ;D

As far as I know Toyota has low range R&P about 4. The highest upgrade is 4.75=39/8. Am I right? What is simular in Toyota?
Logged
XL-7 2001 auto, winch, 2"body+3"susp.lift+coil spacers+long arms=33"M/T

   St-Petersburg, Russia
*

Offline jagular7

  • 1026
  • 0
  • Gender: Male
  • Jagular7
Re: ARB Lockers for new XL-7
« Reply #11 on: June 01, 2005, 04:25:10 PM »
For the US, the 01-03 were basically mechanically the same for the XL7. The mechanicals didn't quite change until 04. For the world, the 3rd generation (Vitara) has many different underpinnings. There has been shown even a rear D44 axle setup stock on a GV in Taiwan.

I do believe that if the external housing is different, that the inner parts will probably will be too, at some extent. Figuring the cv shafts are the same to keep assembly and part costs minimal. Same for the pinion yoke. But figure, if the external is dramatically different, then how does it bolt into the later year frame? I don't know.

My US model front axle housing both aluminum and the cast steel, look exactly the same. I'll shoot some pics of the swap next week Friday.
Logged
Lenexa, KS
*

Offline Corvin

  • 15
  • 0
  • Gender: Male
  • XL-7 on 33'
Re: ARB Lockers for new XL-7
« Reply #12 on: June 13, 2005, 11:45:43 PM »
Ok, I'm back! After 5 days of hard trophy I broke my nice steel front diff  :( I look inside and found that the ring is the same as rear of Vitara  :o I'll try to take the old vitara rear R&P and compare - perhaps I'll find my 5.125!
Logged
XL-7 2001 auto, winch, 2"body+3"susp.lift+coil spacers+long arms=33"M/T

   St-Petersburg, Russia
*

Offline jagular7

  • 1026
  • 0
  • Gender: Male
  • Jagular7
Re: ARB Lockers for new XL-7
« Reply #13 on: June 14, 2005, 12:13:49 PM »
Quote
Ok, I'm back! After 5 days of hard trophy I broke my nice steel front diff  :( I look inside and found that the ring is the same as rear of Vitara  :o I'll try to take the old vitara rear R&P and compare - perhaps I'll find my 5.125!


Welcome back. How did you do? Have fun?

How do you think you broke the housing? Was it just at the mounting points? Or around the circular part?

I noticed that the front axle frame mounts bolt to the frame in the same plane. This doesn't help much with resistance to torsional twists of the housing. I would think the long axle side would be better off with the bolt longitudinal with the frame.

I took my aluminum axle housing and 3rd member off last Friday. What a mess. Broke a few teeth on R&P. Ordered a 3rd member today from car-part.com for $250 delivered. Check out the pics....oh never mind, you've already been there.

Still, any tech info on your suspension?
Logged
Lenexa, KS
*

Offline Corvin

  • 15
  • 0
  • Gender: Male
  • XL-7 on 33'
Re: ARB Lockers for new XL-7
« Reply #14 on: June 14, 2005, 05:52:56 PM »
Hi! You know, my tecnichal english is rather poor and it is hard to understand you well and explain my problems :( I broke not a housing but diff itself - sutellite block. It was my third trophy competitions in a very hard conditions plus 33' >:( It's a pitty, I can find only original diff about $600...

After it I took the aliminum front diff from Vitara of my wife and broke the same after 300 meters ;D. Now I have to repare two diffs ;D
Logged
XL-7 2001 auto, winch, 2"body+3"susp.lift+coil spacers+long arms=33"M/T

   St-Petersburg, Russia
Pages: [1]   Go Up
« previous next »