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Offline whitfield

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Finding the right Coil spring Q's
« on: August 17, 2004, 10:03:43 AM »
I have finally found the Spring rate of the 2 door Track / Kick.

2 Door Conv   1991 & 1994  not sure about other applications..

Front Springs :  452.8

Rear Springs :   156.5


4 Door (Hard top, Obviously)

Front Springs :

Rear Springs :


I didn't account for the lower control arm being a leaver / force multiplier.  I just thought Heavy 6 cyl cherokee, V/S lighter 4cyl Kick.   This explains why the Jeep XJ front springs collapsed.  



Where can I find factory spring rates?  

I think I'm going to look at Full Size GM RWD front coils, and maybe try my Stock 78 F-150 4wd front coils.   Any one have any suggestions as to where to find a similar to stock spring rate but 4" longer.  
   I know I might can get some custom wound, but I'm not ready to commit that much $$$  to the set up I'm running yet...  

So changing the Wheel Backspacing or front track width, IN effect, changes the suspension rate / leverage...       ::) This is getting DEEP
« Last Edit: August 17, 2004, 12:34:23 PM by whitfield »
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Re: Finding the right Coil spring Q's
« Reply #1 on: August 17, 2004, 02:50:51 PM »
Welcome to the world of Lift and Design,
I'm going to have to find a spring that
can handle a 6" wider front end  ;D

Longer lever makes a heavy spring
seem weaker than it is, look at Motocross
bikes with their 600 lb spring rate and
long control arms

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Offline whitfield

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Re: Finding the right Coil spring Q's
« Reply #2 on: August 17, 2004, 03:33:21 PM »
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Welcome to the world of Lift and Design,
I'm going to have to find a spring that
can handle a 6" wider front end  ;D

Longer lever makes a heavy spring
seem weaker than it is, look at Motocross
bikes with their 600 lb spring rate and
long control arms

Wild



That being said it is much easier when you apply the principal to somthing you are familure with.  

1999 YZ400f  (just got my DOT kit)  Working on the Title  ;D

Still,  No one list the rates any more.  We have the spring you need just click your application... Molested 4-dr kick isn't on the menu.  

Spring size and applicaton isn't an issue, I'll make the cups fit.  I just need rate info...
« Last Edit: August 17, 2004, 03:35:28 PM by whitfield »
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Re: Finding the right Coil spring Q's
« Reply #3 on: August 17, 2004, 11:11:05 PM »
i found this on Pirate
HTH,
Zig

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Re: Finding the right Coil spring Q's
« Reply #4 on: August 18, 2004, 08:58:01 AM »
Thanks ZIg...  

I still suck at finding stuff  :-X

Searching last week & 1hr later, still can't find it, but I know it is their.  I finally got someone who had it to Email me that spec sheet.
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Re: Finding the right Coil spring Q's
« Reply #5 on: August 18, 2004, 11:03:50 AM »
Thats handy. I have 2 formulae for calculating spring rates but they give wildly different answers :(.  I shall try working it through again and see if one of them gives the correct answer. I just bought a calmini 3" kit through ebay which gives me something else to play around with  ;D ;D.
« Last Edit: August 18, 2004, 11:04:48 AM by Rhinoman »
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Re: Finding the right Coil spring Q's
« Reply #6 on: August 19, 2004, 01:01:39 AM »
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Thanks ZIg...  

I still suck at finding stuff  :-X

Searching last week & 1hr later, still can't find it, but I know it is their.  I finally got someone who had it to Email me that spec sheet.


I do to, I (you) lucked into that one. I rarely read pirate and just read that Monday. That was the first time on that board in 6 months.
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Re: Finding the right Coil spring Q's
« Reply #7 on: July 16, 2005, 10:54:52 AM »
Did anyone save that chart?  The link is dead now
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Re: Finding the right Coil spring Q's
« Reply #8 on: July 16, 2005, 04:54:33 PM »
Bring back the dead...   That was long ago..   What info do you need?

Tracker Sidekick 2dr Convertable

  452.8 PPI  Front     156.5 PPI  Rear


Tracker Sidekick 4-dr   

  508.7PPI  Front    177.9 PPI   Rear


Ford Ranger 4wd front coils   (Rangerstation.com)  about  500 PPI


Jeep Cherokee front coils  (Rangerstation.com)
Rancho's #6423 3" lift spring for the Jeep XJ is rated at 240 PPI



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