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Re: High Speed Cornering
« Reply #15 on: September 29, 2004, 01:25:55 AM »
is it the same with and without passengers.
if you are driving .. LHD. then when you turn right you will have extra weight over the left wheels and more grip. turning left will be less grip due to less weight over the right hand wheels
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Re: High Speed Cornering
« Reply #16 on: September 29, 2004, 04:30:15 AM »
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is it the same with and without passengers.
if you are driving .. LHD. then when you turn right you will have extra weight over the left wheels and more grip. turning left will be less grip due to less weight over the right hand wheels


It may be weight distrubtion, but it feels loose before you get to the point of loosing traction from the tires.
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Re: High Speed Cornering
« Reply #17 on: September 29, 2004, 06:39:24 AM »
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Re: High Speed Cornering
« Reply #18 on: September 29, 2004, 12:38:10 PM »
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My 98 X-90 has a Calmini 2" lift on it and larger than stock tires (Street tires). If I hang a corner at high speeds turning right it is stable, drifts evenly and is very confident handling. But, turning left in the same situation it feels like the front end wants to push out and feels unstable.


I'd assume it was stable before the 2" lift was added. The things I'd be looking at is that the lift is installed properly, and the tires. (The lift kit on the Bronco caused similar handling.)

You could try swapping the front wheels (temporarily) and see if that helps. If it's not a symetric tread, that can cause a prob similar to this. (i.e. a directional tread installed backwards.) Better, if you have some good street tires on a rig, try them out. That will focus you on whether it's tires or something else.

It could be something odd. The oddest (non-zuki) I ever saw was a broken motor mount... and on another a rear leaf spring's shackles loose. Did they do a 4-wheel alignment? If the rear end isn't square to the front, it can cause odd steering. (Not much you can do about this, unless it's something worn.)

...just a thought...

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Re: High Speed Cornering
« Reply #19 on: September 29, 2004, 01:01:04 PM »
Im betting on the idler arm. I had not thought of that. Call up Sky and get anouther one of those for the X90.  ;)
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Re: High Speed Cornering
« Reply #20 on: September 30, 2004, 07:23:08 PM »
there is also a rubber bush on the front of the steering to the chassis rails ( not the idler arm)
i have replaced this twice on tonka-toy.
to check this jack just one front wheel off the floor and check for play in the steering linkage by twisting the tyre .
if the play is there it is very evident

thinking about it now this bush seems very probable.
it can be seperated from the steering likage one side by unbolting it .. the other side is a ball joint to the linkage .... probably just the rubber bushing very worn with the high mileage commute you do.

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Re: High Speed Cornering
« Reply #21 on: October 01, 2004, 12:47:38 AM »
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I'd assume it was stable before the 2" lift was added. The things I'd be looking at is that the lift is installed properly, and the tires. (The lift kit on the Bronco caused similar handling.)

You could try swapping the front wheels (temporarily) and see if that helps. If it's not a symetric tread, that can cause a prob similar to this. (i.e. a directional tread installed backwards.) Better, if you have some good street tires on a rig, try them out. That will focus you on whether it's tires or something else.

It could be something odd. The oddest (non-zuki) I ever saw was a broken motor mount... and on another a rear leaf spring's shackles loose. Did they do a 4-wheel alignment? If the rear end isn't square to the front, it can cause odd steering. (Not much you can do about this, unless it's something worn.)

...just a thought...


I dont know about the lift because I it had bad tires on it when I bought it and I lifted it as soon as I bought some tires ;D Ive already checked the lift and everything is in good so that is not the problem either.
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Re: High Speed Cornering
« Reply #22 on: October 01, 2004, 12:49:25 AM »
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Im betting on the idler arm. I had not thought of that. Call up Sky and get anouther one of those for the X90.  ;)

I've drfinately need to check that one. The idler on my Kick was off the 97 2WD that never saw dirt and you saw how bad off it is :P

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Re: High Speed Cornering
« Reply #23 on: October 01, 2004, 12:51:06 AM »
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there is also a rubber bush on the front of the steering to the chassis rails ( not the idler arm)
i have replaced this twice on tonka-toy.
to check this jack just one front wheel off the floor and check for play in the steering linkage by twisting the tyre .
if the play is there it is very evident

thinking about it now this bush seems very probable.
it can be seperated from the steering likage one side by unbolting it .. the other side is a ball joint to the linkage .... probably just the rubber bushing very worn with the high mileage commute you do.


I'll check it out
Thanks,
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Re: High Speed Cornering
« Reply #24 on: October 01, 2004, 06:26:51 PM »
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I dont know about the lift because I it had bad tires on it when I bought it and I lifted it as soon as I bought some tires ;D Ive already checked the lift and everything is in good so that is not the problem either.
Zig


Makes sense. I mention tires because mine did similar w/ the original tires... and drove like it was on snow every time it rained. A change of tires (and air pressure) made all the difference. (Before I had to take corners slowly.)

If you can't afford (oversized) street tires for "race" driving, maybe try changing air pressure up and down a few pounds. 2-5 lbs makes a big difference.  ::)