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Offline 86samurai829

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wont shift
« on: April 12, 2012, 01:47:56 PM »
alright i have a 1986 Samurai, stock 5 speed manual transmission. i just put a high performance Petroworks clutch in it from a worn out stock one. now it wont shift when its running. when its off it shifts perfectly fine but once i start it i cant shift at all. i've tried adjusting the clutch cable and the throw out bearing arm but nothing seems to be working. anyone know what the heck is wrong?! could sommething in the traansmission not be lined up right so when its running it just locks up? or could it be as simple as needing a new clutch cable?

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Offline Skyhiranger

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Re: wont shift
« Reply #1 on: April 12, 2012, 07:40:45 PM »
If you moved the clutch arm on the shaft, you need to move it back.  There are punch marks on the arm and the end of the shaft that line up, when the arm is properly indexed on the shaft.  If the clutch cable is good, the pedal height adjusted properly (even with the brake pedal is good), the arm is indexed correctly, and the cable is adjusted correctly, then the clutch should engage and disengage fine.  It sounds like to me that the clutch is not disengaging completely.  So that means you don't have the cable adjusted properly (or it is stretched and needs replaced), or you have something else, that I mentioned above, out of adjustment.
I doubt that it is because you didn't put something back together correctly.  I have heard of some people putting the fiber plate in backwards....but it should have been pretty obvious, that you had it flipped wrong (the pressure plate won't fit down tight on the flywheel, and will have to pulled down by tightening the bolts).
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Offline 86samurai829

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Re: wont shift
« Reply #2 on: April 12, 2012, 09:20:08 PM »
i moved it to try to see if it would fix it but it didnt so i lined the punch marks back up. my pedel is closer to me than the brake about 2 inches. and has about an inch of play. yea i got it so that i  could put it in gear but you have to slam it to get it to go, so thats what my dad was thinking. it just isnt engaging and disengaging all the way. well it was put together right, everything went smooth.

when i tightned the clutch cable it caused the clutch to slip more(i started it in gear then tried to shift).

but i will double check my punch marks and keep playing with how the clutch is adjusted to see if that helps anything.

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Offline Skyhiranger

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Re: wont shift
« Reply #3 on: April 12, 2012, 10:00:08 PM »
Sounds like to me the cable is stretched and needs replaced.
One other thing to check is where the cable is attached to the engine side of the firewall.  Make sure the firewall isn't broken/cracked in that area and allowing the outside of the cable to move in, when you push on the pedal.  If it is, you need to reinforce/fix the firewall.

If you get a new cable, be sure to get one that is metal where it bolts to the firewall.  Some are plastic and they don't seem to last very long.
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Offline WesP

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Re: wont shift
« Reply #4 on: April 12, 2012, 11:26:53 PM »
Did you remember to put the big spacer between the transmission housing and the engine?

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Offline 86samurai829

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Re: wont shift
« Reply #5 on: April 13, 2012, 07:23:38 AM »
alright i'll check my cable out for wear. i know it isnt stretched i have plenty of adjustment left to it.

uhhhh i didnt have a big spacer that i know of.

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Offline Skyhiranger

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Re: wont shift
« Reply #6 on: April 13, 2012, 07:30:26 AM »
alright i'll check my cable out for wear. i know it isnt stretched i have plenty of adjustment left to it.

uhhhh i didnt have a big spacer that i know of.

I think what he is asking about is the thin metal plate that fits between the upper half of the engine and tranny.

Well, if the cable isn't stretched, then adjust the pedal height, and adjust the cable and it should work fine.

If you have about an inch of pedal play at the top, then the clutch should be fully engaging.  But if you can't push the pedal down far to get the clutch to disengage, then the cable needs adjusted (or it is stretched).  Adjust it via the adjustment on the side of the engine and the nut on the end of the cable.
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Offline 86samurai829

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Re: wont shift
« Reply #7 on: April 13, 2012, 11:42:42 AM »
hm, not really sure what he is talking about.

well i guess i will just keep trying to adjust it and see what i come up with.

everyting looked okay at the frame, nothing torn or messed up.

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Re: wont shift
« Reply #8 on: April 15, 2012, 03:41:39 PM »
still no fix, i've taken it apart 3 times now and no better. im just going to try to break it in, seems to be getting slightly better but is still VERY rough. has anyone else had any problems with petroworks high performance clutch?

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Offline airdale navy

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Re: wont shift
« Reply #9 on: April 15, 2012, 06:28:52 PM »
I had something like this on my sidekick.Not the cable but the cable housing.It was like a spring and stretch when you push in the clutch.
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Re: wont shift
« Reply #10 on: April 15, 2012, 08:38:22 PM »
was it the spring up at the firewall? and did the sidekick have a straight cable clutch?

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Offline airdale navy

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Re: wont shift
« Reply #11 on: April 17, 2012, 02:59:01 AM »
NO the outerhousing split and acted like a spring.Watch the outhouse as someone works the clutch pedal.
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Re: wont shift
« Reply #12 on: April 17, 2012, 08:22:44 AM »
alright i will check that out. thank you