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XL7 lifts - Blacknight
« on: February 15, 2004, 03:36:45 PM »
Blacknight, did you ever change the speedo for correction for your different tire size?

I've got an 02 XL7 and planned to do a 3/4-1" spacer up front, then match height the rear with a 1-3/4"(?) spacer, Trackick strut mounts, add 1" body lift for Sami (minimal to hope steering shaft could be extended without major re-work). Looking to go 31-32's. Will be adding custom front/rear bumpers, front winch, rocker skids, belly pan, t-case gears (maybe doubler instead), looking at an anvil with Kerry's cv's for the front, then lockers with gears (if possible - I know not the rear, but maybe front).

You previously went with the RRO spacer lift of 1-1/8"?
With Calmini's lift, what was supplied for the rear suspension with the 4 separate trailing links and the track bar? What did you do with the tie rod links with the lift since it's a rack and pinion setup?
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Re: XL7 lifts - Blacknight
« Reply #1 on: February 15, 2004, 09:12:03 PM »
I have the RRO 1 1/8" spacers on right now. I have been very unsatisfied with the performance of the spacers. They severly limit the down travel of the stock suspension. That's why I am looking at the suspension redo from Calmini.

The 1 1/8" spapcer have allowed me to go to a near 30" tire though.

Just my 2 cents. Sorry for the intrusion.  ;D

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Re: XL7 lifts - Blacknight
« Reply #2 on: February 16, 2004, 01:38:51 AM »
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looking at an anvil with Kerry's cv's for the front, then lockers with gears (if possible - I know not the rear, but maybe front).


The ANVIL will not fit in new GVs and XL7s.  Sorry.
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Re: XL7 lifts - Blacknight
« Reply #3 on: February 16, 2004, 08:07:48 AM »
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Blacknight, did you ever change the speedo for correction for your different tire size?

I've got an 02 XL7 and planned to do a 3/4-1" spacer up front, then match height the rear with a 1-3/4"(?) spacer, Trackick strut mounts, add 1" body lift for Sami (minimal to hope steering shaft could be extended without major re-work). Looking to go 31-32's. Will be adding custom front/rear bumpers, front winch, rocker skids, belly pan, t-case gears (maybe doubler instead), looking at an anvil with Kerry's cv's for the front, then lockers with gears (if possible - I know not the rear, but maybe front).

You previously went with the RRO spacer lift of 1-1/8"?
With Calmini's lift, what was supplied for the rear suspension with the 4 separate trailing links and the track bar? What did you do with the tie rod links with the lift since it's a rack and pinion setup?



The speedo is off by about +5mph so I just keep that in mide when driving.   As for the RRO kit it was springs and spacers.  That was all!   I seen some of your pic of you off roading. You would be better off get the 2.5 from Camini and wait now that 1" BD lift.   Just talk with Camini and they might do a full 3" body lift kit for XL-7 and the GV's! Ball park price on that would $250 to $300 for a full kit. Will post more info as I have it.
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Re: XL7 lifts - Blacknight
« Reply #4 on: February 16, 2004, 10:03:12 AM »
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I have the RRO 1 1/8" spacers on right now. I have been very unsatisfied with the performance of the spacers. They severly limit the down travel of the stock suspension. That's why I am looking at the suspension redo from Calmini.

The 1 1/8" spapcer have allowed me to go to a near 30" tire though.

Just my 2 cents. Sorry for the intrusion.  ;D


That's probably due to the 1.5" of coil travel for full droop. I measured this when I removed the front sway bar. I've got some Trackick upper strut mounts I'll be using (right up or inverted) when I add my spacers.

With the RRO's spacers, both front and rear spacers were 1-1/8"? Seems the front would be smaller due to the control arm configuration.
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Re: XL7 lifts - Blacknight
« Reply #5 on: February 16, 2004, 10:05:31 AM »
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The ANVIL will not fit in new GVs and XL7s.  Sorry.


Really? What is the difference? Are you refering only to the swapping in the Anvil and using the stock components?
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Re: XL7 lifts - Blacknight
« Reply #6 on: February 16, 2004, 10:14:48 AM »
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The speedo is off by about +5mph so I just keep that in mide when driving.  


I have. I just wondered if you had knowledge of a correction.

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As for the RRO kit it was springs and spacers.  That was all!   I seen some of your pic of you off roading. You would be better off get the 2.5 from Camini and wait now that 1" BD lift.   Just talk with Camini and they might do a full 3" body lift kit for XL-7 and the GV's! Ball park price on that would $250 to $300 for a full kit. Will post more info as I have it.
George


Cool. Seems a bit high in cost. If you go to Super Suzuki's web site http://www.k9rdj.co.uk/, scroll down to Other Vitaras, Richie Thompson has a Euro Vitara V6 with a 3" body lift from Overland Components. I've written to OC earlier today for more info. To add, scroll through some of his trail rides, and you'll see Richie in action. Seems he has lots of droop in the rear.
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Re: XL7 lifts - Blacknight
« Reply #7 on: February 16, 2004, 03:22:41 PM »
count me in on the calmini body lift for the newer style zooks. keep us posted! ---> mark

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« Reply #8 on: February 17, 2004, 12:19:22 AM »
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Richie Thompson has a Euro Vitara V6 with a 3" body lift from Overland Components. I've written to OC earlier today for more info. To add, scroll through some of his trail rides, and you'll see Richie in action. Seems he has lots of droop in the rear.


I am due to go over and do some photos and generally have a poke about under Richie's truck as he lives up the road from me, will post to my web page when done.
I have seen his truck in action and the rear is very flexy

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Re: XL7 lifts - Blacknight
« Reply #9 on: February 17, 2004, 02:07:58 AM »
not to beat a dead horse but does anyone know if there is a difference between body lifting an xl-7 and a 2 door 99+ tracker?  and if so what is it?
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Re: XL7 lifts - Blacknight
« Reply #10 on: February 17, 2004, 02:26:34 AM »
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not to beat a dead horse but does anyone know if there is a difference between body lifting an xl-7 and a 2 door 99+ tracker?  and if so what is it?


More body mounting point for one, I'd assume.
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Re: XL7 lifts - Blacknight
« Reply #11 on: February 17, 2004, 03:12:44 AM »
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not to beat a dead horse but does anyone know if there is a difference between body lifting an xl-7 and a 2 door 99+ tracker?  and if so what is it?


If it's a US model 3rd generation Vitara model, I wouldn't see anything to be different for the hardware. The quanitity may change due to more body mounts, but other than that, it's the same vehicle.

The difficulty for the body lift is the rack and pinion steering shaft setup, the manual/t-case shifters through the console (raising body makes the console interfere with the shifters), AC lines coming off the internal front fenders (rear AC of the XL7 lines run underneath the floor attached to the floor), brakes lines on internal front fenders/firewall, etc., gas line feed line to the tank, and any wiring between the sheetmetal body and the frame.

By lifting the body so little, the steering shaft may not have to be altered. With the older models Trackick, the shaft is expandable and is attached to the steering box via a flexible disc. The change in shaft due to the body lift is absorbed by the expanable shaft and the flexible disc. For the late model Vitara model, due to the rack and pinion steering, the shaft length is fixed and not expandable as it floats down to the rack. The shaft also contains 2 joints to help direct the shaft to the rack. There is an adjustable coupling above the frame, 6" or so from the firewall. The adjustable coupling 'links' the 2 pieces together. This could be 'adjusted' for the length difference. With 1-~2" body lift, the shaft length shouldn't need much adjustment.
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Re: XL7 lifts - Blacknight
« Reply #12 on: February 17, 2004, 03:15:15 AM »
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I am due to go over and do some photos and generally have a poke about under Richie's truck as he lives up the road from me, will post to my web page when done.
I have seen his truck in action and the rear is very flexy

Steve


Cool, very cool. See if he still has the instructions also. These may provide sketches. Don't forget pics of the rear suspension setup.
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Re: XL7 lifts - Blacknight
« Reply #13 on: February 17, 2004, 02:21:56 PM »
regarding the strut tower brace, from what i have learned you can do a body lift and trim off the edges of the strut tower brace mounting points to make it fit.  so far i have found only two 2 door trackers that have sucessfully installed the rro 2 inch body lift, and i am hounding them for information on the steering mods.  there has to be more sucessful body 99+ lifted track/vitaras out there or else rro wouldnt be marketing their body lift for the newer models. im just surprised that calmini or rro hasent stepped up to the plate to solve this problem, as there are are many of us out there with money to spend.  especially since calmini has already come up with a solution from reading the other posts.  time to update the website and advertise!