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Re: cv swap, parts needed?
« Reply #15 on: September 13, 2004, 10:10:03 PM »
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Im saying just swap the circled part and reuse the CV ends that are there. Then you don't need a stub shaft.


OK, Sorry I misunderstood. I thought you were going for the 3 bolt on the other side :P
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Re: cv swap, parts needed?
« Reply #16 on: September 14, 2004, 12:43:49 AM »
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If you swap the inner cup they are. :-/ They are very close in length. I dont remember which side it is but one of them is something like 1/3 inch longer. Not enough to be a problem. If your running short on shafts you could swap the inner cup if need be.

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I was thinking there might be more of a lenth difference.  I was hoping for like half an inch that way if I moved the third member a quarter inch to the drivers side Id gain about a quarter inch extra lenth on each side.  Im not sure that a sixth of an inch would be enough to make a difference.  Does someone have a set of shafts appart?  If so can you get me the actual measurments?  Ive got my spare set but I don't want to tear them appart if I dont have to.
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Re: cv swap, parts needed?
« Reply #17 on: September 14, 2004, 02:35:18 AM »
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I was thinking there might be more of a lenth difference.


i got a custom made spacer to deal with this.  got the outer shaft today.  yard is being a bit of a pain in the #$%.  i do see now that i need the inner too.  is it hard to pull the inner?  do i need to open up the front dif?

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BEWARE: you can not swap a driver's side axle with the 2 cv's directly over to the passenger side. They are not compatible.

???  i dont get it....
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Re: cv swap, parts needed?
« Reply #18 on: September 14, 2004, 02:53:30 AM »
The inner just pulls out.  Its held in with a spring clip like the passenger side.  I just used a screwdriver to pry it out a bit and then it slid out easy the rest of the way.  

What kind of spacer do you have?  Where does it go?  I was just thinking that if I put the longer shaft on the passenger side and put a spacer on the drivers side in the flange between the CV shaft and the inner stub axle then I could gain the third of an inch on both sides without moving the third member.
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Re: cv swap, parts needed?
« Reply #19 on: September 14, 2004, 03:12:10 AM »


Ok to clarfy...   I will replace the blue shaft with a new red one.  Then I will place the yellow spacer that is the same thickness as the difference in the shaft lenth.  The green CV's will all remain in there stock locations.
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Re: cv swap, parts needed?
« Reply #20 on: September 14, 2004, 07:40:39 AM »
nice drawing work TM 8)  i bought this used tranny from a guy, we got talking, he says i should put a driver side axel assy. on the passanger side so if it breaks.... blah, blah, blah.  we all know why.  so he says 'here youll need this spacer, i had it make when i did mine.'  so i says 'cool, thanks.'  i mean it was free and sounded right.  it looks like it goes just where you show it in your pic.  but, i got the impression that it goes on the pass side when the new setup is put in.  he said that before he did that the shaft would fall out....?  did i misunderstand him?  the red shaft in your pic is the stock driver right?  your/I am not running with a spacer now, why later on that side if we are going to replace the pass side?  or is that what you meant, that the 'yellow' spacer would go with the new 'red' shaft that is replaceing the 'blue'?  *whew* :-/  if so i think that should work.
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The inner just pulls out.  Its held in with a spring clip like the passenger side.
 we are talking about the part that goes into the diff?  i will have to go look in my book....

oh, hey, the guy that gave me the spacer says it cost some $$ to get made.  if you need exact dims let me know, easy to measure but my calipers are standard. :P
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Re: cv swap, parts needed?
« Reply #21 on: September 14, 2004, 08:22:10 AM »
I think we are working at two different goals but we have to go down the same road to get there.  I have streched my 3 inch Calmini kit by putting my ball joints on the bottom of the A-arm and flipping the strut mounts.  To try to keep the shafts from overextending and pulling out I rotated the third member a bit to bring it down a bit.  I have not had one pull out yet but Im still worried.  So my plan is to add a little lenth to each side.  I'm not worried about having the bolt on CV flange on both sides I just want more lenth.  

The red shaft is the stock drivers side.

The Spacer goes in on the drivers side to add length over there too.

The Red shaft is longer than the Blue shaft so by putting it on th passenger side it adds length.

I have an extra inner shaft from the diff so I can get my dimentions for my spacer from that.  (If I don't just cut the end off from it and use that.)

I think that gets to all your questions.  I'm going to take some pics tonight to try to explain it all better.  I think it is going to be easier to do than to explain it.
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Re: cv swap, parts needed?
« Reply #22 on: September 14, 2004, 09:29:39 AM »
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I thought you were Ford 9" up front, was that an old post or is this a different Tracker?

Can you give any details on the 2- stubs ??? custom cut and splined units I assume ..."it is just a suzuki 3rd member with 2 axle stubs hangin out!"


The ford nine inch your thinking of is in my freinds kick with 37s on it.

The two stubs are two passenger side Calimini Anvil axles. Calmini built the prototype Im running. If I could post pics I would. It works great. Just in case anybody was wondering how strong the Anvil axles are... dont worry. ::) I cant break them.

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Re: cv swap, parts needed?
« Reply #23 on: September 14, 2004, 09:40:37 AM »
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To add, I guess my memory is not as good as I had thought. Referencing Mike's front axle setup, I thought I recalled him working with a 8" Ford rear axle, cutting the tubes, reinstalling the cut down and resplined axles, reconfiguring the axle ends to work with the flanges of the cv cups so that he would only have to carry a sinlge type spare.


I do still only have one spare. The front axles are identical from side to side.

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Re: cv swap, parts needed?
« Reply #24 on: September 14, 2004, 12:04:13 PM »
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I'm going to take some pics tonight to try to explain it all better.  I think it is going to be easier to do than to explain it.
 pics are always GREAT!  plus i am interested in seeing what you did to the dif too.

hmmm i thought the drivers side setup was shorter?  LOL, i think i am making this more complex than it really is, i am still a little lost.  my bad i am sure.  after i see your pics i just tear the d#|removethispart|@N thing apart and take it from there.  my one spacer should be enough though right?   :-/ :)
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Re: cv swap, parts needed?
« Reply #25 on: September 15, 2004, 12:31:27 AM »
Sorry I went wheeling last night instead of taking pics.  Oh well gotta have priorities right?  Its gonna depend on how thick your spacer is and what the difference in the shaft lenth is.  I hope its the drivers side that is longer otherwise none of this will work.  I guess Ill have to take my spares appart and figure this all out.  So much for clean fingernails.....
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Re: cv swap, parts needed?
« Reply #26 on: September 15, 2004, 01:29:51 PM »
see i thought that the D side was shorter and you needed the spacer when used on the P side....

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Sorry I went wheeling last night instead of taking pics.  Oh well gotta have priorities right?


priorities?  isnt that a need?  i am going to the river fri 8)

hey, i looked at my service manual and from what i see in the exploded view of the front,  this idea of ours (and others) will NOT work.  which means i just blew $35 on an extra D side shaft.  what i dont get is i thought this was a pretty basic mod it ya had a little skill....?  if you dont have a service manual i can send you the scaned pages this weekend.  swap for the pic ;)
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