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4.5 inch grand vitara suspension lift

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Offline blacknight

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Re: 4.5 inch grand vitara suspension lift
« Reply #30 on: October 10, 2007, 01:31:58 PM »
"For vitara/tracker and Grand vitara, We NEED real new A-arms like in the pics. I realy hate the stock one peice ball joint/a-arm..."

You would also want that new arm to move the center of the wheel forward and push the rear out some too.
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Re: 4.5 inch grand vitara suspension lift
« Reply #31 on: October 10, 2007, 03:51:26 PM »
Quote from: blacknight on October 10, 2007, 01:31:58 PM
You would also want that new arm to move the center of the wheel forward and push the rear out some too.


You'r right!!!!
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Re: 4.5 inch grand vitara suspension lift
« Reply #32 on: October 10, 2007, 08:26:19 PM »
i must absolutely concur with a slight wheelbase extension!  >:D
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Re: 4.5 inch grand vitara suspension lift
« Reply #33 on: October 12, 2007, 10:29:25 PM »
updates to follow....
might go to a dual-A arm setup
Easier to provide travel w/o causing bind to struts
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Re: 4.5 inch grand vitara suspension lift
« Reply #34 on: October 13, 2007, 09:18:18 AM »
that would be the best... like the baja kits for toyo IFS... just longer arms, switch it to double arms, ditch the strut and just use shocks... in the end it wouldnt cost that much... 4 new arms 2 new adjustable coil over shocks and some ajustable control arms for the rear with shocks and springs and wheel spacers to match the fronts new width... would just have to keep it in the CV operating range... probably break a few cvs figuring it out but could get more lift and more articulation outta that setup... and would be way stronger still would require fabing up the top arm... probably ditch the stock spring location cut the cup out mount the new arm there and just use the coil over in the stock strut location and mount it on the new top a arm..
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Re: 4.5 inch grand vitara suspension lift
« Reply #35 on: October 13, 2007, 09:58:09 AM »
Quote from: wezeles on October 13, 2007, 09:18:18 AM
that would be the best... like the baja kits for toyo IFS... just longer arms, switch it to double arms, ditch the strut and just use shocks... in the end it wouldnt cost that much...
Yeah...wouldn't cost much...then you say this...? ???
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4 new arms 2 new adjustable coil over shocks and some ajustable control arms for the rear with shocks and springs and wheel spacers to match the fronts new width... would just have to keep it in the CV operating range... probably break a few cvs figuring it out but could get more lift and more articulation outta that setup... and would be way stronger still would require fabing up the top arm... probably ditch the stock spring location cut the cup out mount the new arm there and just use the coil over in the stock strut location and mount it on the new top a arm..
That's a lot of custom stuff there.
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Re: 4.5 inch grand vitara suspension lift
« Reply #36 on: October 13, 2007, 12:28:21 PM »
still would be cheeper then a SAS kit maybe more then a calmini, but atleast it would be giving the vehical more capability...  anything over just a suspension lift based on the exsisting will take modifications though, not alot of people are willing to jump into cutting and welding on there vehical... i bet it could be done for 1500 bucks once you get the jigs setup for the control arms, you wouldnt need as much steal into it because you wont have a spring seat section... would be basically tubular a arms like alot of people use to improve sports cars, and then just put a mounting point on the top one for the coilovers, rig the upper ball joint on the stock "strut mount location" and use the factory spindle... 3 custom parts... everything else you could use whats already on the market...
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Re: 4.5 inch grand vitara suspension lift
« Reply #37 on: October 13, 2007, 02:27:50 PM »
Go price some of the desert running setups for Fords and Toyotas.  That's about the equivalent to what you guys are talking about.

This isn't just a lift kit or even a lift kit with entirely new suspension pieces...this is a completely new suspension that would require modifications beyond most home garage mechanics who can't weld.

Go to their site and price out their kits for the Sidekicks and Trackers.  Then consider that a Calmini 3" kit goes for almost $900 and doesn't include half of what a double arm setup would run...


...when and if a double arm setup arrives on the market it will be multiple thousands of dollars.  On the realistic side I can see $3000 or so unless they get orders for a few hundred.
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Re: 4.5 inch grand vitara suspension lift
« Reply #38 on: October 14, 2007, 05:34:25 PM »
no matter what comes out if it gives a true 4 or more inches of suspension lift it will be nice, the calmini is only 2.5 inches.  i don't think we can expect to get much more flex out of the front end than we are now with various lift setups.  the diff's and cv's unfortunately aren't designed for that.  hopefully the rear suspension will flex nicely and make up for our ifs setups! 
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Re: 4.5 inch grand vitara suspension lift
« Reply #39 on: October 14, 2007, 05:43:38 PM »
Unless they drop the lower a-arm mounting brackets we're starting to also run out of down travel.
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Re: 4.5 inch grand vitara suspension lift
« Reply #40 on: October 18, 2007, 10:38:12 AM »
Quote from: AJMBLAZER on October 14, 2007, 05:43:38 PM
Unless they drop the lower a-arm mounting brackets we're starting to also run out of down travel.

I see your point but then agianyou get must of your flex from the rear.

George
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Re: 4.5 inch grand vitara suspension lift
« Reply #41 on: October 18, 2007, 11:44:39 AM »
agreed, no matter what, unless we have a different diff and cv's that handle major angles NOTHING is going to make the front flex very much  >:(
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Offline AJMBLAZER

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Re: 4.5 inch grand vitara suspension lift
« Reply #42 on: October 18, 2007, 01:10:23 PM »
A diff drop like most fullsize IFS truck lifts do, or Whitfield's Tracker lift over on Zuwharrie, would be the best way to lift our front diffs and keep the proper range of motion as we have now.

Simply forcing the arms down in their arc is kinda cheesy to me.  You're gaining clearance at the expense of downtravel and might not be making up for it in uptravel.
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Re: 4.5 inch grand vitara suspension lift
« Reply #43 on: October 18, 2007, 03:52:12 PM »
but whats the point of dropping the diff and a-arms all that work to keep the same setup that it has stock just pushed lower on the vehicall....
        for the kinda money and work to get that much lift it should atleast improve its capabilities not just let you fit bigger tires....
  the rear axle is fine for most of what you will do and you can lift it cheeply... its the front that needs to change... even a sammy axle in the front would be better than what we have for everyday wheeling sure its the same 10 bolt and everything but atleast it would be a solid axle... we dont need a full axle swap kit just something to make it easy to toss a front axle in... wheel spacers to match the width, and a basic 3 link setup... then lift size isnt really an issue just depends how crazy you feel like going...   why pay over twice the amount of any other kit on the market for an extra inch and a half... when you could save 1200 bucks and just do a body lift for the same effect... im not a fan of body lifts but when it comes to wasting that kinda money with no real gains... its just retarded...
   
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Re: 4.5 inch grand vitara suspension lift
« Reply #44 on: October 18, 2007, 04:21:14 PM »
something along the lines of a tacoma lift kit would be perfect... differential drop kit with some a-arms to match the lift and controable travel with adjustable coil over replacements.. its basically setup like ours but with double a arms which you dont need its just nice for strength... you cant get to crazy with the newer IFS because of our rack and pinion system and the cv angles.. but with just the diff dropped to the cross memeber 1 inch... no a arm or cross memeber drops we know you can do about 3-4 inches of lift without breaking stuff... that with a coil over inplace of struts way better offroad system... and for our size vehical not expensive 500-600 for a pair if not less... and you can fine tune the coil over to perfect levels... to drop and lift right at the limit of the cv operation range... and outside of rack and pinion failure and bind...

http://www.allprooffroad.com/index.php?option=content&task=view&id=95

thats about as best as your gonna get on a stock setup... lowering arms and cross memebers is just lowering ground clearance defeating the purpose of the lift... your still going to need a big tire to make it any higher off the ground.
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