Ok updates...

i've swap the coil for one comeng from a running sidekick, nothing changed

i found a new ignitor (the little black thing screwed with the coil on the firewall) changed it still doesnt run

since i had a doubt about the injector, i've changed it. nothing happen

the gaz is getting to the injector and carb but doesnt seems to reach the spark plugs, the carb is full of gas but the spark plugs are staying dry....

still searching for an answer...

Sounds like to me the injector isn't firing.  Swap the ECM.

Ok updates...

i've swap the coil for one comeng from a running sidekick, nothing changed

i found a new ignitor (the little black thing screwed with the coil on the firewall) changed it still doesnt run

since i had a doubt about the injector, i've changed it. nothing happen

the gaz is getting to the injector and carb but doesnt seems to reach the spark plugs, the carb is full of gas but the spark plugs are staying dry....

still searching for an answer...

It's EITHER carbed OR injected - one OR the other - NOT BOTH.

If you've changed the injector - then what part of the TBI can you describe as the "carb is full of gas"?  And if there is a carb with a float bowl that IS full of gas, then what "injector" did you change, and what did you see spraying fuel?

The quality of the help you get is going to be determined by the quality of the information you provide.

x2 on fordem's post. But it's terminology, he has injector & is calling the throttle body (TB) 'carb'.
But he gives another clue: Gas in TB but dry plugs... fuzzys fuzzy brain thinks: his cams not turning.
Pull the distributor cap & turn the engine over; Is the rotor turning? If not, you broke the timing belt.

Hth,
Fuzz

The quality of the help you get is going to be determined by the quality of the information you provide.

ok

since  english is not my first language so i would try to explain myself better...



My kick is a 1.6l TBI, i can actually see the injector sprayin gas into the throttle body

i have made a swap of the injector since i have another kick motor in the garage.

Pull the distributor cap & turn the engine over; Is the [distributor] rotor turning? If not, you broke the timing belt.

Hth,
Fuzz

Check this next. If the rotor isn't turning, your timing belt has broken. If it is, inspect the cap & rotor for wear or cracks, or just replace them if you haven't recently... standard tuneup stuff. Can be a lot of other things, but this is where I'd look next.

Any update, Taaaaaapis? Good, bad, somewhere in the middle?

I'm going to guess a bad ECM ...

I had a rig do as you described, running fine, went to start it the next day, wouldn't start. I happened to have a parts rig (same engine/tranny) so swapped ECM's ... started right up.

Ever since that day I've always contemplated carrying a spare ECM when wheeling. It would have REALLY sucked had that happened on a trail.

I'm going to guess a bad ECM ...

I had a rig do as you described, running fine, went to start it the next day, wouldn't start. I happened to have a parts rig (same engine/tranny) so swapped ECM's ... started right up.

Ever since that day I've always contemplated carrying a spare ECM when wheeling. It would have REALLY sucked had that happened on a trail.

swapping ECM is gonna be my next try...



Other observations  made: after trying to start the car i checked the spark plug one by one. cylinder 1 and 2 , spark plugs were completely dry. Cylinder 4 and 5 spark plugs were soaked with gas...

the rotor is turning when engine is cranking...

fire on plug 1 and 2 seems way weaker than on 3 and 4

x2 on fordem's post. But it's terminology, he has injector & is calling the throttle body (TB) 'carb'.
But he gives another clue: Gas in TB but dry plugs... fuzzys fuzzy brain thinks: his cams not turning.
Pull the distributor cap & turn the engine over; Is the rotor turning? If not, you broke the timing belt.

Hth,
Fuzz

Thank you Fuzzy!!!

 Following the clues you left me, i removed the timing belt cover to find out that about 1/4 of the teeth on the timing belt are missing!  i've ordered a new one today gonna try that this week end.

thanks for everybody who helped

Quote from: fuzzy1 on January 07, 2011, 03:55:34 PM

x2 on fordem's post. But it's terminology, he has injector & is calling the throttle body (TB) 'carb'.
But he gives another clue: Gas in TB but dry plugs... fuzzys fuzzy brain thinks: his cams not turning.
Pull the distributor cap & turn the engine over; Is the rotor turning? If not, you broke the timing belt.

Hth,
Fuzz

Thank you Fuzzy!!!

 Following the clues you left me, i removed the timing belt cover to find out that about 1/4 of the teeth on the timing belt are missing!  i've ordered a new one today gonna try that this week end.

thanks for everybody who helped

You're welcome! "I love it when a plan comes together."

There's a good guide for t-belt swap on kick-fix.com here:

http://www.kick-fix.com/t-belt/tbelt8v.html

Fuzz

PS: *Begs for a Technical Prestige point* "I feel left out."