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Offline bandit86

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winch mount with 2" lift and original bumper in place?
« on: May 26, 2016, 08:01:12 AM »
I don't want to make a new bumper, but I have an old 4000 pound winch that was made in the USA, it was supposed to go on my last tracker.  Anybody added a winch mount and have pics to share?
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Re: winch mount with 2" lift and original bumper in place?
« Reply #1 on: May 26, 2016, 08:58:25 AM »
I ended up making a new bumper when I saw what was left of my stock bumper but I had thought about making a front receiver and having it tucked up tight or even through the stock bumper and using a winch cradle and being able to store my winch in the back when I did not need it
just food for thought
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Re: winch mount with 2" lift and original bumper in place?
« Reply #2 on: May 26, 2016, 12:29:50 PM »
I just looked through the "for sale" section.  There was a member on here who had a 2-door with a lift who had removed his stock bumper, built a winch plate between his frame rails and mounted a 5,000# Badland winch on it.  He cut out the plastic bumper wrap so just the fairlead was exposed on the OEM bumper wrap.  He did a very clean job on his install.  Unfortunately, the data loss a year or so ago wiped out his build and his "for sale" add on his truck.

So, yes, it can and has been done.  I'd start out by removing your plastic bumper wrap and taking some measurements.  Once you have your frame rails exposed, all the small obstacles you will have to build around or into will also be exposed.
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Re: winch mount with 2" lift and original bumper in place?
« Reply #3 on: May 26, 2016, 05:00:33 PM »
I installed a 5000lb badland on my stock bumper. After removing the plastic cover I used the bottom of the oval holes in the bumper to make a horizontal cut with a sawzall. This is about 2 inches down from top of bumper. Cut to length desired from center. The I cut down on each side. I had a piece of channel stock that fit nicely over top when cut to length. Welded in place. I then welded three pieces of angle iron across the back. One centered and  then a piece on each side to spread out the load. Boxed in the holes above channel stock also. Has worked on a couple of tests so far....

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Re: winch mount with 2" lift and original bumper in place?
« Reply #4 on: May 26, 2016, 05:04:20 PM »
I just added a supplemental mount mounting to the frame rails with heavy duty 2" angle iron and a piece of 6" c channel
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Re: winch mount with 2" lift and original bumper in place?
« Reply #5 on: May 26, 2016, 05:06:35 PM »
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Re: winch mount with 2" lift and original bumper in place?
« Reply #6 on: May 28, 2016, 08:44:04 AM »
I don't want to make a new bumper, but I have an old 4000 pound winch that was made in the USA, it was supposed to go on my last tracker.  Anybody added a winch mount and have pics to share?
this approach has worked for me, but doesn't leave much "bumper".
i cut out the body in front of the radiator, so the winch would fit up close to the radiator, and added a 2"angle across the front....and built a platform braced to the tube, for the winch to bolt to...... the fairlead is bolted on as part of the structure.
then i cut the center out of the bumper, and stuck the "wings" back on as feelers, strengthened a bit with pieces of the swaybar(finally found a use for it).
originally, i put some modified cover pieces on, but have since ditched 'em.
i tailended an infinity, on the la frwy. suzi suffered no damage.
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also- setting the winch up and in really improves approach.
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any help?
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Re: winch mount with 2" lift and original bumper in place?
« Reply #7 on: May 31, 2016, 12:11:45 PM »
When you interconnect the front frame it becomes very strong, I to hit a jeep patriot in the rain on the freeway.6-10mph contact broke one offroad light and the electrical connector to my winch.so replaced winch and lights on AAA since they were going to charge me for accident anyway. winch just needed a new contact brush for the ground side. patriot not so lucky and probably got totaled since rear bumper, bumper cover , rear hatch, right rear quarter all crushed.no air bag deployment so you Know it was a low speed contact but it shows who gets the short end of the stick in and accident
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Re: winch mount with 2" lift and original bumper in place?
« Reply #8 on: May 31, 2016, 05:58:58 PM »
That's the trade off when you reinforce your frame to support a winch or add a heavy steel bumper.  The original crash engineering is changed a little.  I'm sure at a higher speed, the frame would crumple along the same engineered designed lines, but the kinetic energy will be directed "somewhere" a little different.  How does the heavy front skid plates affect the "crush zone"?  I don't know the answer to that one either, but I'm going to guess the front frame becomes a little stiffer as a result of it being added.

Most new cars today are "certified" to withstand "impacts" at speeds up to a whole 2.5MPH without suffering damage requiring repair.  2.5MPH ::)!!?   That tells me that virtually any contact with another vehicle is going to cost some serious bucks.

I don't care to go back to the days of solid steel dash boards and 10 gage body panels where after wrecks, they just hosed the blood out and replaced a fender and resold the vehicle, but I prefer to have a little more robust bumpers than ones that can only handle a 2.5MPH impacts before serious body repair is needed.

I've often wondered if the SRS air bags in Buster would even deploy in a frontal or rear impact. :laugh:   He is going on 15 years old now.  I don't plan on them deploying  properly and therefore I work really hard on not crashing into another vehicle.  I know "stuff" can happen, but I work really hard on mitigating the outcome.
« Last Edit: May 31, 2016, 06:04:09 PM by nprecon »
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Re: winch mount with 2" lift and original bumper in place?
« Reply #9 on: May 31, 2016, 07:43:33 PM »
That's the trade off when you reinforce your frame to support a winch or add a heavy steel bumper.  The original crash engineering is changed a little.  I'm sure at a higher speed, the frame would crumple along the same engineered designed lines, but the kinetic energy will be directed "somewhere" a little different.  How does the heavy front skid plates affect the "crush zone"?  I don't know the answer to that one either, but I'm going to guess the front frame becomes a little stiffer as a result of it being added.

Most new cars today are "certified" to withstand "impacts" at speeds up to a whole 2.5MPH without suffering damage requiring repair.  2.5MPH ::)!!?   That tells me that virtually any contact with another vehicle is going to cost some serious bucks.

I don't care to go back to the days of solid steel dash boards and 10 gage body panels where after wrecks, they just hosed the blood out and replaced a fender and resold the vehicle, but I prefer to have a little more robust bumpers than ones that can only handle a 2.5MPH impacts before serious body repair is needed.

I've often wondered if the SRS air bags in Buster would even deploy in a frontal or rear impact. :laugh:   He is going on 15 years old now.  I don't plan on them deploying  properly and therefore I work really hard on not crashing into another vehicle.  I know "stuff" can happen, but I work really hard on mitigating the outcome.

and that's why my mule has such a good front bumper.... I think that if I were to hit someone, someone aint walking away, and that wont be me 
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Re: winch mount with 2" lift and original bumper in place?
« Reply #10 on: May 31, 2016, 10:10:57 PM »
I think if had been a mile or two faster I would have got popped in the face with an airbag, glad I didn't after over 30 years in the fire service I have noticed sometimes they are not that friendly :'(
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Re: winch mount with 2" lift and original bumper in place?
« Reply #11 on: June 05, 2016, 03:34:12 PM »












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Re: winch mount with 2" lift and original bumper in place?
« Reply #12 on: June 05, 2016, 03:38:19 PM »
It's a superwinch x3 4000 pound winch.  Mounted on a 2x2 3/16 thick bar, which is tied into a reinforced bumper.  The hook hides in a little cubby hole behind the license plate.  Can't even tell it's there.  To use, just unsure license plate, mount fair lead with 2 bolts. 





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