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ZUKIWORLD Discussion Forum => Suzuki 4x4 Forum => Topic started by: Jayzuki on July 05, 2006, 10:09:37 PM
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Are you a fan of Jeep vehicles but have switched to a Suzuki 4x4?
Tell a story!
lol
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have had several jeeps and scouts in the past. have a late 70's frame and drivetrain on jack stands in my garage now. was going to be my 'retirement jeep', built from the frame up the way i wanted it. then the old suburban tranny went south a couple of months ago. found a nice '91 tracker in my price range and got it for the gas mileage. 8)
now, plan on making the tracker my 'retirement trackick'! love the 30+mpg, size and handling, and the plain "fun-to-drive" factor. doing some mods now and more later. building it up for winters in Nevada and summers in Minnesota. that means i'll be keeping the heater!! ;D
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If you really want the "ultimate" wheeler & good gas mileage, consider going with a 1.6L Turbo Diesel.
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I switched from Jeep to Suzuki when I saw
the price tag of the Wrangler back in 89' and
it was $5000 more than the Suzuki, I bought
the Suzuki ;D One of the best cars/trucks I
have ever owned, the other being my VW Scirocco
I still miss that car, what a blast to drive in the
mountains, but not off the road ::)
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i had a jeep a few years ago, sold it and bought a toyota and then sold that and bought the 90 trackick, love the zuke. i have also bought a 97 4 door sport that will get a mild lift for exploring and camping. here is a shot of my jeep and my toy,
it had a 5mge in it
(http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid201/pfd32b6a68ca4486163f8e6e0d01a1e24/f0042ff7.jpg)
(http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid154/p21c9f9cf82db7113d075a6de3113e3cf/f579a00e.jpg)
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I have had 3 CJ-5's, one flat fender, one CJ-7. two CJ-8's (scramblers) , a few wagoneers, and one TJ.  I have been running a samurai off road since 1990.  Much more comfortable, lighter, better fuel economy (can wheel all day on a tank of fuel), more capable vehicle, parts are way cheaper.  Wont ever own another Jeep until they come out with the scrambler again. ÂÂ
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that jeep and toyota are nice. so is that orange trackick
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I had a YJ in high school. My wife (then girlfriend) and I loved putting around out in the desert. When I was graduating college and expecting a baby I talked my wife into a Tracker for our family vehicle. Has 4drs, can fit 3 car seats in the back, is a real SUV and small/nimble enough to have lots of fun in. Now she has a Trailblazer and the tracker is all mine ;)
(http://www.zukiworld.com/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=11837.0;id=1530;image)
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that jeep and toyota are nice. so is that orange trackick
thanks, i moved on to these...............
(http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid207/p74a30af0bc8cea8e059435df3c18574d/eea72b76.jpg)
(http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid208/p29aff2b3be6d604f45b1c73dc7edcbf2/ee733d08.jpg)
the 4 door will be getting a mild lift.
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I got my zuki first, and still keep it. The jeep sits right next to it in the driveway ;D
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I had a Jeep YJ. Pretty standard (http://www.dttm.net/SnowRun12-29-02/DCP_0032.JPG"), 2 1/2" OME springs, 31" tires, limited slip in the rear. I was going to build it up, but the axels to run 35 and larger were so expensive I decided to buy a Suzuki and build it up instead.
When the motor went south I bought another daily driver and sold the Jeep after it sat for 6 months in the garage.
Sadly, I found an old Wagoneer with the D44 axels I was looking for two weeks after I bought the Suzuki and a tow rig... :P
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Evil Seed stories~!! that's what this thread should be called!
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bah - nothing wrong with Jeeps, they're just more expensive.
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bah - nothing wrong with Jeeps, they're just more expensive.
i would have to say a jeep is cheaper than a zuke around here.
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I would think at initial cost only for a standard wheeler. If your planning on running 38" tires anything short of a 1-Ton is an expensive build. But for a vehicle that can go 95% of the trails, and winch over the rest, you really can't top a Zuki for price vs performance.
Unless you count 1/4 mile drag times. ;D
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you can get allot more crap for a jeep than a zuk in the states at least. that's the good thing about them. they are pretty nice too. I was actually thinking I'd want an unlimited wrangler TJ (the longer ones) but the gas mileage sucks compared to the GV and the cargo room is most likely less and the zuk is already payed for and I'm already getting started at making it off road capable even though I don't really wheel it much
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OH for the love of pete, unless you can buy it out right and have no loan DO NOT buy and off road a brand new jeep.
Talk to a banker or an insurance agent about the nightmares that people have when they owe 26k on a wrangler and they roll it off road.
The insurance company probably will not pay to fix it, and they will inform the lender that the vehicle is damaged and no longer worth the loan amount. If they do pay to fix it they will probably cancel you and post a note in your credit profile stating that you are a high risk insuree, which means you will probably pay more than 5k per year for insurance.
You could easily wind up paying for a jeep you can no longer drive for five years. then when the loan is paid off you have a jeep you still cant drive.
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i own both ,but i wheel the zuk does that count?
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I would never buy a brand new thing to wheel it.. at least that's how I feel now, my opinion may change with time but I doubt it. I wasn't planning on getting a new one but to get one in a while from then. apearently only 05 and up unlimited wrangers offer manual trans which is all I would ever buy but that's what the salesman said and most of those guys are ignorant douches that want everyone to take new vehicles off thier hands and make payments till they die
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i almost got a JEEP Diesel before i got my GV.
but i did some research first, and was reccomended to get a GV Diesel.
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i almost got a JEEP Diesel before i got my GV.
but i did some research first, and was reccomended to get a GV Diesel.
oh how I wish my GV was diesel
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the diesel GV's are a little more expensive, but i drive a lot..
with chiptuning, my gv has done 0,65L/10KM -a jeep whould hawe needed at least 1L/10KM
if one mile is 1,6KM and one US gallon, is 3,8 Litres. how do i find out how many MPG that is?
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the diesel GV's are a little more expensive, but i drive a lot..
with chiptuning, my gv has done 0,65L/10KM -a jeep whould hawe needed at least 1L/10KM
if one mile is 1,6KM and one US gallon, is 3,8 Litres. how do i find out how many MPG that is?
I have no idea how to find the US mileage from that but even with some extra price I'd buy a diesel GV anyday. if they were avaliable and I hadn't started modding my 2.5 gas one I'd do a trade in any day
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the diesel GV's are a little more expensive, but i drive a lot..
with chiptuning, my gv has done 0,65L/10KM -a jeep whould hawe needed at least 1L/10KM
if one mile is 1,6KM and one US gallon, is 3,8 Litres. how do i find out how many MPG that is?
That would be 6.25 miles for every .171 gallons, so aprox 36 mpg. Not bad at all, especially since Diesel has finally droped down to the same cost or lower then regular gas again.
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36mpg, that must be good ;D
if i had a V6, it whould get an LPG conversion right away.
lpg is 60% of the price of gasoline here, so when you driwe a lot it say's back.
+it gives an enviremental benifit ;)
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36mpg, that must be good ;D
if i had a V6, it whould get an LPG conversion right away.
lpg is 60% of the price of gasoline here, so when you driwe a lot it say's back.
+it gives an enviremental benifit ;)
what is LPG? and 36 miles a gallon is GREAT! I get 23 miles a gallon with a modified stock intake with K&N as well as Y back exhaust with high flow cat and magnaflow. 30 miles a gallon for a little 4 cyl car is good around here. I can't beleive you get 36.. damnit I want a diesel
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LPG is liquified petrol gas. Its a gas compressed to make it liquid, you can have any petrol powerd engine modded to drive on LPG, you get an extra gas tank and intake nozles.
LPG is bout 1/3 of the petrol pirce round here. Altho the installation costs quiet a bit.
On the other hand, i think the cost of LPG here is bout the same as regular fuel in the US.
What is that with you US ppl wanting diesel engines? lol they're lazy, noisy, puke out black smoke and most of all, lack throttle response.
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nils pointed out some good things here, a car that runs on LPG will hawe approx 10% poorer MPG than on petrol and a little reduction in HP's.
but you can switch from LPG to petrol whenever you want.
What is that with you US ppl wanting diesel engines? lol they're lazy, noisy, puke out black smoke and most of all, lack throttle response.
you forgot to mention that they got high torqe al low rpm's, are economical to drive, that diesel engines run's longer than petrol engines, and last but not least: if you chiptune it, you get 20-25% more HP's and a LOT of newton meters ;)
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well, my DD trackick, (as described in my signature at the bottom), still gets 32-33 mpg. i cruise at about 3200 rpm and an indicated 62 mph or so. i haven't corrected the speedo to the tires. doing the calculations, i should be doing somewhere around 67-69 mph. i put on somewhere between 250 up to 600 miles a week. only had it since April and LOVE IT !!!!  ;D
can't beat the fun factor and the great gas mileage will have me doing everything i can to keep it on the road for a very long time. when this motor gives up the ghost, (only about 125k now) it will be replaced with a 1.6TD veedub diesel.
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and don't forget that you can get bio diesel and if you really want you can make your own bio out of french fry fat and it is a lot cleaner to run and it cleans your engine alot better.....the only down side is if you run B100 you can not have a snowy climate.....shit!!!! that is me out of the question...but i do want a diesel Xterra from like Aussie....that would be the best for me now....and keep my zuke as a toy.....like it isn't a toy already!!!
the only thing that jeep had that i am interested in is the ultd wrangler RUBICON since it is soft top and locked little lift and tires top down cooler in the back family and go ......oh year they suck on gas and cost a but load to own and repair....oh yah that is why i don't have one!!
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I don't know about small diesel engines other than the economical drive but here in the states there are tons of 3/4 ton and above diesel pickups with diesel engines. the dodge rams with the cummins gets about 20 miles a gallon usually with an ungodly amount of power. the diesel trucks around here make the petrol V8 obsolete and then some. I was just figuring you do that to a little thing and get similar results
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well, i guess if you're talking about 6 - 7 litre diesel engine, compared to a 5 litre petrol, its a wanna-have. But over here putting a 1.6 80hp petrol in a kick does the job. It's funny in a way, over here when modding most buy either a 3.3 diesel for a 2 ton 4x4. And if possible they'd go for a v8 petrol to give it some juice. Most 'havy' pickups are equiped with a 2.8 common rail turbo diesel.
Older lpg setups do give you a loss in power and mpg, but new ones with mulitpoint gas-injection are no thirstyer than running fuel (i got a 1.6 16v suzuki esteem break with lpg injection system)
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well, i guess if you're talking about 6 - 7 litre diesel engine, compared to a 5 litre petrol, its a wanna-have. But over here putting a 1.6 80hp petrol in a kick does the job. It's funny in a way, over here when modding most buy either a 3.3 diesel for a 2 ton 4x4. And if possible they'd go for a v8 petrol to give it some juice. Most 'havy' pickups are equiped with a 2.8 common rail turbo diesel.
Older lpg setups do give you a loss in power and mpg, but new ones with mulitpoint gas-injection are no thirstyer than running fuel (i got a 1.6 16v suzuki esteem break with lpg injection system)
normally comparing the 6-7 litre diesels to 5.7 litre or higher petrol V8's. there is no comparison. a diesel like that is the only way to go with a full size truck around here hands down. wierd they'd put such a small motor is a heavy truck there. see, I want some torquey rubber burning turbo diesel power out of my GV. doesn't sound like the little diesels do that too well
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well, the heavyest diesel i know of being sold here was a 4.2 in a nissan patrol. But only very few were actually sold, due the very high tax rate, any petrol enigne above 2.0, or diesel above 3.0 is close to unafordable to any common ppl.
for example, the grand vitara 2.7 v6, would cost us a yearly $723 on taxes, a 5.7 litre petrol would cost a huge $2.892 each year, only on taxes.
Take a diesel for example, 4.2 litre diesel engine (the biggest i can find data on)would be at $4 038 YEARLY! Taxes only.
Don't care how you put it, but thats unaffordable to most, and those who can, buy a huge v8 or v12 instead.
a 2.8 diesel is quiet a heavy engine to our standards, as said, we get the GV in either 1.6 petrol or 2.0, no word spoken about a 2.7. The XL7 came out with that engine, but i haven't heard of 1 being sold, so quickly replaced with a 1.9 turbo diesel.
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what country do you live in? those taxes suck. to me they should lower taxes on diesels and maybe raise them a tadd on bigger petrol motors to equal it out cause a big diesel usually gets much better mileage than a petrol and if you run biodiesel it's a clean burning machine. for those concerned about emissions and stuff it makes more sense to run diesels to me. I personally don't think we're destroying the environment but I do like fuel eficient and powerful motors and an inline 6 diesel does the trick.
lots of rambling there but I think it's completely unfair to have to pay so many taxes to have a more eficient (in most cases) vehicle
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I live in belgium, so lots of mud, few rocks lol.
Those taxes sure sucks, therefor we get all the tiny engines on the market, but on the other hand, the smaller the better, 1 litre of diesel costs $1.4, 1 litre regular petrol (the cheapes) $1.83. (litre to gallon is x3.79)
So appart from the taxes, the fuel costs loads here to,
but using a 1.9 diesel in a gv we do get bout 35-40miles/gallon.
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well, at least you get great mileage. I would kill for 40 miles a gallon. I do like my power though and it doesn't sound like those little diesels have it. can't have everything I guess. sucks about the tax situation there.
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Well, we get the GV in 2.0 petrol and 1.9 turbo diesel, they're much alike in power, altho the diesel dominates with torque, the petrol has a bit more bhp, so gets better acceleration and top speed, but hardly worth mentioning.
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so it's basicly mileage difference with the diesel and 2.0 petrol? I find it interesting that there are no 2.5's there
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Indeed.
In costs the diesel would be more expencive, altho cheaper fuel.
I had a talk with my dealer and he could get me a GV 2.7 v6, altho not officially released here, on special order. yay
Take my word for it, even if they take the european diesels to the us, wich would be rediculus, stick with the petrol :)
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well, if I were in the market for a new ride I would have to test drive both anyways just so I know first hand. the jeep liberty (2nd or 3rd gen cherokee there I believe) diesels here seem to be pretty cool. maybe if they put a bigger diesel in vitaras they would be better although 06 and newer vitaras are just honda CRV's on steroids pretty much and I will nevery buy one of those ever