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ZUKIWORLD Discussion Forum => Suzuki 4x4 Forum => Topic started by: ebewley on September 28, 2007, 03:25:57 PM
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We have been contacted by Richmond Gear to do an informal poll to see which gear sets the Suzuki community would like to see produced. The more people that participate the better for two reasons: first, show them that the Suzuki enthusiasts would like deeper gears for their rides and second, more samples (votes) should help get more realistic percentages. So, Please forward this thread to whomever you think would like to weigh in on the subject.
Here's the url: http://www.zukiworld.com/forum/index.php?topic=19068.0
Thank you, Eric
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6.33's hmmmm, is that correct??
that would solve a lot more problems than 5.89's.......... yet cause soooo many more ;)
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I'd go for the 6.33's ;D
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6.33's, my mouth is watering, but Could the pinion be made strong enough to hold up?
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Lower gears from a name brand? I guess I had better start saving up for a set now. Add the lower gearsets with some lower transfer case gears and I would be leaning away from doing a Sami doubler setup.
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I hope that they're looking at offering them for the Kick rear. It would solve a major problem.
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6.33s, I like the sound of those. The 5:83s are still a bit high on my 8V with 33s
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I forgot to mention this but if they do go ahead with any of the above options it would be no good unless the gear sets were available for both front and rear Track-Kick axles.
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As we continue to build these rides bigger and better than ever before, the need for low gearing is a MUST!!!!!!
Thanks Richmond!!!!
Zig
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My vote is for the 6.33:1 gears. I am running 33's and would love to run 35's. PLEASE MAKE THEM!! :D
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Well, since many Zooks run 5.12s stock, 6.33s are the real option for them.
Eric -
These gonna be 12 bolt rear, 10 bolt rear or both?
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Well, since many Zooks run 5.12s stock, 6.33s are the real option for them.
Eric -
These gonna be 12 bolt rear, 10 bolt rear or both?
That is definitely something to pass along. That there are some options out there like the 10 bolt 12 bolt deal on the 7.5" ring and also, like someone mentioned, a 7.0" ring & pinion for the fronts...
-Eric
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If they could make them work... It would certainly help for putting larger tires on manual trackers. :)
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Well, since many Zooks run 5.12s stock, 6.33s are the real option for them.
Eric -
These gonna be 12 bolt rear, 10 bolt rear or both?
That is definitely something to pass along. That there are some options out there like the 10 bolt 12 bolt deal on the 7.5" ring and also, like someone mentioned, a 7.0" ring & pinion for the fronts...
-Eric
Given that the bulk of Kicks are most likely to be 12 bolt rear and the GV's are also 12 bolt then from a volume point of view that would be the logical choice for a rear R&P. Those with a 10 bolt can upgrade to a 12 bolt carrier if needed, at least there would an option. Obviously there is no point making a rear without a matching front ratio available too. The fronts will also fit the Sammi's so volume isn't an issue there but they already have so many gearing solutions available that I really hope that Richmond are looking at this for the Kicks and GV's. I know I will definitely be buying a 12 bolt 5.83 if/when they ever become available as I have a lonely 5.83 front sitting here waiting to be used and a 6.33 would be the next choice for me.
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That is definitely something to pass along. That there are some options out there like the 10 bolt 12 bolt deal on the 7.5" ring and also, like someone mentioned, a 7.0" ring & pinion for the fronts...
-Eric
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Pass along that 12 bolts are all that needs to be produced. Also, to machine the 7" rings so that they work in the Kicker, and in the Sammy without cans and spacers.
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I know I will definitely be buying a 12 bolt 5.83 if/when they ever become available as I have a lonely 5.83 front sitting here waiting to be used and a 6.33 would be the next choice for me.
I'll sell ya my 5.83's if they ever make the 6.33's ;D
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5.83 are ahead????
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I placed my vote!
Derek
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I'm tryin to figure out why someone would vote for 4.57???
4.62 is already available (just call hawk or trailtough and you can get 4.62 for either a trac/kick or a sami)
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I want those 5.83:1 for the rear of my Sidekick, Im runnin 33" Boggers with stock R&Ps and a 4.24:1 T-case. I really miss my 5th on highways... ;)
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6.33:1 that's absurd, the pinion will be so small and really easy to break.
Have you seen a Samurai 5.83:1 pinion... it looks like chicken drumsticks
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6.33's, my mouth is watering, but Could the pinion be made strong enough to hold up?
Ditto on his question.
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Yeah...that stuck in my mind...lots of teeth for itsy bitsy ring and pinion.
I voted for the two 5.xx's as both are good choices for IFS Suzi's while also being VERY low for Sami owners.
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Anithing bigger than 4.88 whould be a hit on my opinion.
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I'm liking the possibilities of the 6.33's... 8)
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Kicks have the following available
Ratio Ring Pinion
4.3 : 43/ 10
4.625 : 37/ 8
4.785 : 39/ 8
5.125 : 41/ 8
5.38 : 43/8
5.62 : ?
5.83 : 35/6 Calmini
A 6.33 would be 38/6
Design and manufacture are important. Just because a ratio is say 5.83 it doesn't mean it is weaker than a 5.38
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Nice to hear that new r&p is going to produced for Vitara and GV
I've already have 5.38 and I found them by second-hand here in zukiworld and I was very lucky!..
I say that because there are TOO MANY zuki enthusiasts here in GREECE that would like to have gears (bigger than 5.12)
so keep going on
P.S...5.43...must correct to 5.38 I think
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Personally I would like to see a conversion that lowers the Low Range gearing, but leaves the high range as normal.
Especailly in a Vitara (or whatever the yanks call them)
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Personally I would like to see a conversion that lowers the Low Range gearing, but leaves the high range as normal.
Especailly in a Vitara (or whatever the yanks call them)
Here you go:
http://www.lowrangeoffroad.com/kickdrivetrain.htm (http://www.lowrangeoffroad.com/kickdrivetrain.htm)
Sean
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6.33:1 that's absurd, the pinion will be so small and really easy to break.
Have you seen a Samurai 5.83:1 pinion... it looks like chicken drumsticks
No smaller than a 5.83, except 2 extra teeth on the ring.
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so i bit the bullet and put a Ford 9" rear end in with 5.83s because I couldn't get the zuki 5.83s. But i'm still running a sidekick rear-center section in the front with 12bolt 5.83s. i'll either need a spare set of 5.83s for the front, or maybe i'll just take the whole shootin match up to 6.33s... sounds like fun!
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I'm curious as to why the 4.57's are getting votes. they are already available for Sammi's and I can't think of too many Kick owners that would want them as there is already a 4.6 available.
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That is a good question.
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With 31s and 4.88 on an 1.6 8v, I pray every night for 5.83...
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Whatever ratio gearing Richmond elects to invest their production into it will have to be the most marketable and cost effective for them to produce. What's the largest vehicle population out there currently and what vehicle is growing in numbers (worldwide)? Wherever that curve meets is probably going to be pay-dirt for their company. If all the axle gearings for the Suzikis/Trackers were interchangable, oh what a world it would be and so much simpler. Once the superlifts for the GV body styles is hammered out in the market place, everyone will be slipping sets of 33's and 35's under thier fenders. My money says that will be a huge future market for a gear company (with their transmissions, differentials, lockers, etc.). Demand for Samurais and ealry models of kicks is going down in the USA because they aren't making/marketing them here anymore. What we have is what we got and they are rusting and dieing. They will just about be gone in the next 10 years.
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Need some 5.83's baaaaaaaaaaaaadddddddddddddddddddd please make them
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We need some more votes for the 6.33's here! 5.83's are great but not tall enough for a truck running 33's
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I am all over those 6.33's!!!!
dan
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I'm curious as to why the 4.57's are getting votes. they are already available for Sammi's and I can't think of too many Kick owners that would want them as there is already a 4.6 available.
The 4.57's are still getting votes and I still don't know why. ??? I guess it must be Sammi owners who want more than one supplier of them ::)
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Im just a old pee on and my opion doesnt count anymore ........ glad i was stile asked though
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I HAVE 5.83 GEARS IN A 1998 GEO TRACKER. THE REAR RING & PINON LOST SOME TEETH & HAVE BEEN WAITING 3 MONTHS FOR MY REPLACEMENT.
I VOTE FOR 5.83'S
I PLAN ON BUILDING ANOTHER RIG THE SAME AS MINE FOR MY WIFE.
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I HAVE 5.83 GEARS IN A 1998 GEO TRACKER. THE REAR RING & PINON LOST SOME TEETH & HAVE BEEN WAITING 3 MONTHS FOR MY REPLACEMENT.
I VOTE FOR 5.83'S
I PLAN ON BUILDING ANOTHER RIG THE SAME AS MINE FOR MY WIFE.
Tell you what, Vote for the 6.33's and once they make them I will sell you my 5.83's
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I vote for 5,83 and 6,33's.
5,83 are fine with 31'', but i think that it's not bad to get 6,33's with a 32-33''.
I would like to get one pair, even 5.83 or 6.33. ::)
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Where are we at here Ed? Have you heard from Richmond? Any chance we can have them before Christmas?
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This Poll and the conversation has been rolled up / forwarded to Richmond. They were happy to see such a vigorous conversation and voting. We'll update with any news as it becomes available.
Thank you, Eric
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Well i'm very excited. I got my 6.33's ordered today, and they said it will only be about 5 weeks for delivery. I'll be able to sell my 5.12's and put that money towards these new ones, so hopefully the difference won't be too bad.
Here's the link to where you buy them from: http://www.richmondisntmaking633syet.com
;)
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Yer mean. ;D
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I'm THIS close to spending the $8 and make that link live :)
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Well i'm very excited. I got my 6.33's ordered today, and they said it will only be about 5 weeks for delivery. I'll be able to sell my 5.12's and put that money towards these new ones, so hopefully the difference won't be too bad.
Here's the link to where you buy them from: [url]http://www.richmondisntmaking633syet.com[/url]
;)
I detect, although it's quite subtle, a note of sarcasm there! :)
-Eric