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ZUKIWORLD Discussion Forum => Suzuki 4x4 Forum => Topic started by: wilderness on July 21, 2008, 10:42:26 PM
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So I bought a nice 12v 150psi tankless air compressor from a cheap import tool company. I have bought lots of stuff from them and know as long as you don't abuse them and buy the extended warranty for 7 bucks you are good to go.
Any how, I bought this compressor in hopes to make a nice on-board air system. I need some input on a couple things.....
1: I want to mount a 2-5 gal tank some where in the Sammy and I have that part covered. But the compressor or tank does not have a pressure shut off switch. I would like some ideas on how to make a pop off valve that shuts off at about 100psi. Do they make them to order and where is a good place to find them.
2: Do they make air or cable lockers for the stock Samurai diffs?
3: I want to add a second battery in the back. Should I just go ahead and plan on adding a bigger alternator or will the extra voltage help take the load off the stock alternator?
Thanks for any help -Chad
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I use a 12 volt compressor for my on board air, I bought a pressure switch from viair it shuts the compressor off at 105 psi and turns it on at 85 psi
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Thanks, do you know if they have a web site?
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Never mind, I found a place to buy it. Is is the 85 psi on 105 psi off with a built in relay.
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That should work for running an ARB. I believe they have an 85lb minimum. I would have to double check the paperwork though.
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Does this little comp look somthing like this by any chance?
(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f261/rellim87/compressor.gif)
Amilla
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Does this little comp look something like this by any chance?
([url]http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f261/rellim87/compressor.gif[/url])
Amilla
You got it buddy. Alot of folks would advise against such "junk" but one mans trash is another mans treasure right? I put that bad boy to the test and it pumps up pretty quick!
So arb does sell a air locker for the stock Samurai?
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Does this little comp look something like this by any chance?
([url]http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f261/rellim87/compressor.gif[/url])
Amilla
You got it buddy. Alot of folks would advise against such "junk" but one mans trash is another mans treasure right? I put that bad boy to the test and it pumps up pretty quick! How much was it advertised for?
So arb does sell a air locker for the stock Samurai?
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Yes ARB has a product out for samurais.
Are you going to use it to air up tires along with an ARB?
My buddy had that same compressor on his rig for a while, it worked pretty good on smaller tires when airing back up from 5 psi. But on bigger tires (32's and 33's)it would over heat and then shut off and decided not to start back up for about 45 min.
He had the same warranty on it so he just took it back the next day.
Amilla
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I have a little red air compressor from Napa that works great. It airs up 33" tires in a couple of minutes, but runs out of steam once you get around 25-30lbs of pressure. It doesn't overheat though, even after using it on a couple of vehicles. I think Smitty Built now sells a version of it with their name plastered on the side.
But I can't imagine how long it would take to get an air tank up to 100+ lbs. I would spend the extra money on a Quick Air or an actual ARB air pump. For my ARB setup I use their new mini pump that can only be used for a pair of ARB Lockers. It will burn out if I use it for tires, but I have the little red pump for that.
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I'm not sure yet if I'm going with the ARB's yet. I really want a locker with a cable to engage it to be honest.
I am actually using the compressor for tires and fence repairs. I build alot of 4 board pasture fence that frequently gets damaged. Most of the fences are on muddy farms and through the mountains making the Samurai a perfect little board replacer capable of shooting 10 or 12 3" ring shank galvanized nails!
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Suprised it has not come up yet, so I'll throw it out. What about a A/C conversion? I am going to do one soon for the tracker.
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Those work great. Sold a Samurai to a guy who did that to his AC pump and it was solid. I think there is a write up on either Acks Faq or Suzuki Info that shows how to put it together.
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Suprised it has not come up yet, so I'll throw it out. What about a A/C conversion? I am going to do one soon for the tracker.
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Also - no need for bigger alternator unless you're hanging a lot of things that DRAW power to the system. Adding a second battery is like adding a second gas tank. You don't need a bigger engine to run a bigger gas tank... it just means you have more energy (fuel) available if you need it.
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My Samurai has the AC on it but it's missing the condenser and that's it. I even have a 50lb tank of R12 with gauges and a vac in the basement. So I kinda want to use my AC for AC. But that's a great idea.
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I was just out pumping up one of my F350 tires that run |removethispart|@ 80psi and the tire was down to 25 and it only took 53 seconds to fill it up to 80.
While I was watching this thing pump I had an idea. I think a spare tire on my roof rack would make a cool stealth air tank. If I bought a high pressure all terrain tire and get a cheap rim to put it on, tap the hole where the schrader valve goes for the inlet and drill another hole for the outlet and pressure switch and bam! A cool looking air tank!
Anyone think it would work?
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I was just out pumping up one of my F350 tires that run |removethispart|@ 80psi and the tire was down to 25 and it only took 53 seconds to fill it up to 80.
While I was watching this thing pump I had an idea. I think a spare tire on my roof rack would make a cool stealth air tank. If I bought a high pressure all terrain tire and get a cheap rim to put it on, tap the hole where the schrader valve goes for the inlet and drill another hole for the outlet and pressure switch and bam! A cool looking air tank!
Anyone think it would work?
LOL That is a really cool idea. Only problem I can forsee is water condensation.
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LOL That is a really cool idea. Only problem I can forsee is water condensation.
You're right but I could put a small water/oil separator on it with a petcock to drain it. You think the water would be worse than that of a steel or aluminum tank? And I was actually thinking of setting up a dual compressor. With the increased speed of the two pumps I think it could keep up with a reservoir tank. I would hard mount one out of the way and have the second with disconnects so I can remove it in case I need to carry it up to a friend with a jeep who really needs it. ;)
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It's a very trick idea. ;)It would be a trade off of looks for weight. I know an empty spare tire weighs a lot, fill it with air and it's more than an empty aluminum tank would be.
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That's a lot of weight to out that high up. I like keeping a low CG.
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Well I just got started on my external cage today and I was thinking about just making a spot in the back for a small aluminum tank.
The whole spare tire stealth tank was just a cool idea I thought about throwing out there. But watch, some big company will come out with stealth air tanks like that and make a fortune.
I also thought about making a section of my roll cage a tank. How's that for space and ingenuity! I think that would be the best route. ;)
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I know a guy who had a bumper that looked alot like the two tube sammy bumpers. He made his own though and the top tube was a air tank. It was really trick untill he got rear ended, but then he had worse problems.
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Marlin Czajkowski (owner of marlin crawler) uses his roll bar in the back of his Toyota for an air tank.
Its a pretty awesome idea if your tight on space.
Amilla
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My rear tube bumper is an air tank. But its got a slow leak so I don't bother using it much anymore. The hubby's Sami AC converted on board air works great!!
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I also thought about making a section of my roll cage a tank. How's that for space and ingenuity! I think that would be the best route. ;)
I was talking about doing this years back. A guy came on and said after a few years of use, his tube hit something, the tube "exploded" in a small area, and sent shrapnel RIGHT next to his friend. If I remember correctly, it was close enough to clip clothing. I remember for sure the metal piece went into a near-by tree, and looked like it went in DEEP. He was happy his friend was okay, and recommended against doing it.
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I was talking about doing this years back. A guy came on and said after a few years of use, his tube hit something, the tube "exploded" in a small area, and sent shrapnel RIGHT next to his friend.
And that is why you only air it up to 100 pounds and you don't use pipe to build a roll cage. I can't see DOM exploding from that little pressure in it.
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I would build the tank in an area of the cage that is not in jeopardy of being crushed or dented.
I already thought of that issue, but if I used galvanized schedule 80 pipe with 115 psi max that would be more than sufficient. I would also wrap it with resin and pipe insulation so if it did explode it would stick together like a windshield.
I would think with thick pipe it wouldn't explode but more so split like a frozen pipe.
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I don't like building a cage out of pipe. If I'm going to trust my life to it I think it should be tubing.
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I don't like building a cage out of pipe. If I'm going to trust my life to it I think it should be tubing.
Why would you want something that is thinner and easier to bend? Pipe is much thicker and stronger. Or am I confusing the two?
At the steel yard I buy my material from they offer two round materials (3 if you include solid stock)
1) Tubing which is sold by gauge and measured by the outside diameter
2) Pipe which is sold by schedule and is measured by the inside diameter
All the tubing both round and square I have seen is thinner and we use it for our decorative rail and ornamental stuff. But for anything structural such as large gates, deck supports, flitch plates and beam supports we use the thicker pipe.
Are you referring to the way the tubing and pipe are built? There is always alot of confusion in how the two differ and I still don't know the true difference between the two and I own a small steel company.
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Why would you want something that is thinner and easier to bend? Pipe is much thicker and stronger. Or am I confusing the two?
At the steel yard I buy my material from they offer two round materials (3 if you include solid stock)
1) Tubing which is sold by gauge and measured by the outside diameter
2) Pipe which is sold by schedule and is measured by the inside diameter
Your right about the measurement. When I say Tube I am referring to DOM (Drawn Over Mandrel) tubing. There are a couple different type of tubing, but DOM is the most common I have seen for cages. The main difference between DOM and Pipe is the Tensile Strength, or how much stress it can take before it fails. 1020 DOM Steel is rated around 70,000 psi vs 30,000 for pipe material. So a cage made out of pipe is usually about half the strength of a DOM based cage. Supposedly Pipe is more likely to tear where tube will bend.
You could probably get a really thick pipe to make up the difference, but you would need one heck of a welder to be able to penetrate.
On an old board I used to visit people would go nuts if anyone suggested building a cage out of pipe. But they where a bunch of elitists. :P
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I would think with thick pipe it wouldn't explode but more so split like a frozen pipe.
The pic the guy had looked like a cross between a split, and the back of something that's been shot. It wasn't quite either - hard to describe, but you could see how little bits came off. 100 PSI is still no joke, and could launch something. There's guys that load up their spare tires to 100PSI that have horror stories as well. Not worth it to me when I can figure out how to stuff a 2 gal tank somewhere safe. Good luck - hope everything works out if you go for it.
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Why would you want something that is thinner and easier to bend? Pipe is much thicker and stronger. Or am I confusing the two?
At the steel yard I buy my material from they offer two round materials (3 if you include solid stock)
1) Tubing which is sold by gauge and measured by the outside diameter
2) Pipe which is sold by schedule and is measured by the inside diameter
All the tubing both round and square I have seen is thinner and we use it for our decorative rail and ornamental stuff. But for anything structural such as large gates, deck supports, flitch plates and beam supports we use the thicker pipe.
Are you referring to the way the tubing and pipe are built? There is always alot of confusion in how the two differ and I still don't know the true difference between the two and I own a small steel company.
I got you. I hope I did'nt come off like a smart butt with that reply. I was actually looking for a good explanation of the difference between the two. Thanks for the info.
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I got you. I hope I did'nt come off like a smart butt with that reply. I was actually looking for a good explanation of the difference between the two. Thanks for the info.
Actually, I had to look up the differences. I knew the basics, but the only thing that stuck in my head was "DOM good, Pipe Bad!" :P
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I actually was calling the material i bought the wrong thing. I assumed that cause it was so thick it was a schedule pipe. but it is a very thick DOM tubing that the place I bought if from considers it a pipe due to its thickness.
I wound up getting an aluminum coke tank from a friend who owns a diner. It's extremely light and is rated a 130 working psi and I'm using 115 or less.
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Where are you going to mount it at?
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Oh no! It's Ack!
;)
I ran a bumper tank for a while with my on-board air/AC compressor system (http://www.acksfaq.com/ac-conv.php (http://www.acksfaq.com/ac-conv.php)). It was a 1/4" 2"x4" box beam. I never ran it more than 100 psi. Unfortunately, I never used it much because my new engine had a bolt broken off in the AC/PS mounting holes so I can't tell you how safe it was.
Here are a web page to read concerning the use of tires as air containers:
http://www.4x4now.com/sf1296.htm (http://www.4x4now.com/sf1296.htm)
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Now you have me thinking about this again ???. Looked into it a while back but had a hard time trying to find the a/c pump and bracket. Not very many sold with a/c on the west coast.
Derek
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Where are you going to mount it at?
I was thinking of making a rack on my tailgate next to my spare. I'm gonna polish that puppy up and it will took sharp on the back. I also got my pressure switch in today, it is a 85psi on 105psi off with a built in relay. But it's a really bulky switch so I'm going to have to be creative on how to make it look good on the tank.