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Offline bandit86

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best cheap mod ever
« on: January 30, 2005, 10:57:36 AM »
so I was thinking, why bother get a rear locker?  all you need is to split the lever on the parking brakes.  you already have two parking brake cables, if you had two levers, you could lock up any rear tire and have almost full power on the other side...
providing you dont need all 4 to drive, but great if one side is in the air
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Re: best cheap mod ever
« Reply #1 on: January 30, 2005, 11:38:29 AM »
in theory, its one of the best mods i think.

but for me, and where i am, there is a lot of black soil and clay based mud, which ALWAYS finds its way into my drums! at the moment, my drums are useless, the hand brake works good, only the shoes don't/can't hold too good.

now, if we were to do a rear disc conversion, and have the same hand brake setup, that would be worth it. it wouldn't necessarily work as a locker/traction control, only provides friction on the wheel in question, so, in actual fact, wouldn't it be a LSD?

well, all in all, it would be one of the cheapest mods if it were to work out.

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Re: best cheap mod ever
« Reply #2 on: January 30, 2005, 12:03:13 PM »
I have tossed this idea around for a while, What about running seperate hydraulics from a tee IN the cab? Run the line from the master back to a tee with it's own master cylinders on it too, from there back to the wheels. have some sort of valving in the cab so that when you move a lever from side to side it would create enough pressure to lock that side wheel. I dunno what would be needed for a valve, but it would have to pass the fluid from the original master through it, but also send it's OWN fluid to each rear wheel seperatly.
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Re: best cheap mod ever
« Reply #3 on: January 30, 2005, 12:17:06 PM »
What your talking about are cutting brakes. They have been used in racing and dune buggys for years. One company that sells all you need is Jamar.
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Re: best cheap mod ever
« Reply #4 on: January 30, 2005, 12:49:24 PM »
i would like this for the front LOL  ;D

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Re: best cheap mod ever
« Reply #5 on: January 30, 2005, 01:06:13 PM »
kind of a pain, to get stuck, fight with lever, get stuck, fight with lever, repeat.  

I say the best cheap mod would be welding your diff. (I know the associated problems).

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Re: best cheap mod ever
« Reply #6 on: January 30, 2005, 01:59:42 PM »
i used this setup but for cutting breaks. i don't know if anybody else noticed but trackers don't have rear swaybars and cutting at 45 and 55mph is frigin scary but fun as heck. after nearlly flipping my rig more than once i decided it was time to get rid of them and by the way lockers rule. :P ;D
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Re: best cheap mod ever
« Reply #7 on: January 30, 2005, 11:20:35 PM »
if i get a mo i will scan in a drawing we did that will allow normall handbrake operation and 2 extra levels,

Two reasons i never bothered was the competions we do puts you in another class if you have fiddle brakes which this is.

we rigged it up and found that its hard to guage which wheel. 9 times out of 10 you need both wheels turning and when go up a hill trying to steer do gears and pull levels is pretty hard. The drum brakes were pretty useless

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Re: best cheap mod ever
« Reply #8 on: January 31, 2005, 02:21:27 AM »
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What your talking about are cutting brakes. They have been used in racing and dune buggys for years. One company that sells all you need is Jamar.

Ran this set-up in my Baja Buggy ages ago, was very satisfied with it (  but then again, that's 2WD of course )
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Re: best cheap mod ever
« Reply #9 on: January 31, 2005, 03:26:26 AM »
Wouldn't locking one wheel effectively create more drag add in an already less traction situation?

Am I missing something?
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Re: best cheap mod ever
« Reply #10 on: January 31, 2005, 04:58:30 AM »
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Wouldn't locking one wheel effectively create more drag add in an already less traction situation?

Am I missing something?


An open diff distributes the same amount of torque to each wheel.  If one wheel is in the air, it receives 0 torque, so the wheel on the ground receives 0 torque.  

If you were able to lock the wheel in the air (by applying brake) the wheel on the ground would start to move.
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Re: best cheap mod ever
« Reply #11 on: January 31, 2005, 07:43:18 AM »
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An open diff distributes the same amount of torque to each wheel.  If one wheel is in the air, it receives 0 torque, so the wheel on the ground receives 0 torque.  

If you were able to lock the wheel in the air (by applying brake) the wheel on the ground would start to move.



Yes, but what about a mud hole?
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Re: best cheap mod ever
« Reply #12 on: January 31, 2005, 08:09:56 AM »
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Ran this set-up in my Baja Buggy ages ago, was very satisfied with it (  but then again, that's 2WD of course )



For the price of one of those levers running extra lines, and what your getting out of it. IMO just buy a $90 mini spool then go climb everything you may have had problems with in 4X4,,,, Cuz youll crack up when you do it in two wheel. ;D

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Re: best cheap mod ever
« Reply #13 on: January 31, 2005, 09:07:27 AM »
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Yes, but what about a mud hole?



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Re: best cheap mod ever
« Reply #14 on: January 31, 2005, 10:14:06 AM »
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i used this setup but for cutting breaks. i don't know if anybody else noticed but trackers don't have rear swaybars and cutting at 45 and 55mph is frigin scary but fun as heck. after nearlly flipping my rig more than once i decided it was time to get rid of them and by the way lockers rule. :P ;D



The Kick's welded rear axle on the twisties gives the same feeling.  My body roll on the 4-dr with the welded rear is stomach churning.  But once you realize it is just the welded rear and short lower arms you can have a little fun.  Ofcourse this can lead to your passengers stomach churning which is not always a good thing especially on the way to the trails.    not a good way to start off the day.   my welded Kick rear works very well but it is not as streetabe as it was when i welded the rear in my  Sammy...
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