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Offline Maroon Monsoon

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got pro comp 0-2 inch lift shocks from boondox, they don't work with 0 inches of lift like they are supposed to. They bottom out allot. because of this I need to extend the bump stops and lift it. I want to put old man emu coils on it which lift it 1.25 inches. do you all think the front struts would work as is with that much lift? I am not sure I want to strut extenders till I can make or buy my own axle drop brackets. (don't want to get into my wallet that far for this yet.. eventually though)

my lift I am planning would consist of ome coils (not sure which rate yet), pro comp 2 inch lift shocks, homemade bump stop extenders, and cambre bolts for the front from boondox.

any input is greatly apreciated, thankyou very much
2000 Grand Vitara.. boondox coil spacer lift w/ pro comp 2 inch lift shocks and ome struts. 225/75 R16 Kumho Mt's, powdercoated wheels, rear brake line relocation and stuff to acomodate. custom exhaust and intake along with some 1 off accesories.

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Re: want a second opinion about ome coil lift setup I am considering
« Reply #1 on: June 10, 2006, 08:17:13 PM »
decided I'm getting coil spacers instead of lift coils for now but most of my questions still apply. are the boondox coils 1.5 inches tall or do they lift it 1.5 inches? thinking those or the 1-1/8th rocky road ones but heavily leaning twards the boondox ones. they seem much nicer
2000 Grand Vitara.. boondox coil spacer lift w/ pro comp 2 inch lift shocks and ome struts. 225/75 R16 Kumho Mt's, powdercoated wheels, rear brake line relocation and stuff to acomodate. custom exhaust and intake along with some 1 off accesories.

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Re: want a second opinion about ome coil lift setup I am considering
« Reply #2 on: June 10, 2006, 08:22:45 PM »
Ask JCDMRX about the RR spacers...they're Heep spacers...being used for our intents...didn't hold up well for him...

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Re: want a second opinion about ome coil lift setup I am considering
« Reply #3 on: June 10, 2006, 08:47:25 PM »
RR as in rocky road? I just now finished ordering the ones from boondox. they are poly urethane and fit the coil great. on top of that it's like $20 more and they are 1.5 inch instead of 1-1/8

glad I didn't order the rocky road ones. it's good I'm getting spacers cause i checked out my isolators and they are not holding up well. the back ones have holes in them from the coils resting on them


I am so excited to lift my zuk! going to make my own bottom out pad spacers in the rear out of square tubing, think I've seen it done on kicks, sound like a good idea?
2000 Grand Vitara.. boondox coil spacer lift w/ pro comp 2 inch lift shocks and ome struts. 225/75 R16 Kumho Mt's, powdercoated wheels, rear brake line relocation and stuff to acomodate. custom exhaust and intake along with some 1 off accesories.

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Re: want a second opinion about ome coil lift setup I am considering
« Reply #4 on: June 10, 2006, 11:53:57 PM »
Sorry to say if there poly urthane there gonna sag. 1" will be 1" the first week and after that there gonna sag.

I went threw 2 sets from them and the spring on the front went threw the spacer. The rear the spring sank right in. On my sidekick i had no problem.

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Re: want a second opinion about ome coil lift setup I am considering
« Reply #5 on: June 11, 2006, 12:02:07 AM »
Sorry to say if there poly urthane there gonna sag. 1" will be 1" the first week and after that there gonna sag.

I went threw 2 sets from them and the spring on the front went threw the spacer. The rear the spring sank right in. On my sidekick i had no problem.

Josh

boondox spacers or rocky road ones? I don't care if they sag a little. the stock isolators have sagged a bit but they are rubber so I am hoping the poly urethane ones do a little better. don't think I can return to boondox and I don't really care cause if they sagged a ways they would still do what they need to do, I'd just have a slightly lower center of gravity when they sag but still enough up travel I'm sure

thanks though. if you had no problem on your kick those things must be considerably lighter....

oh yea, I am pissed at my five link once again. this time not because the exhaust is hard to route, not because the panhard bar makes it go to the passenger side when all the way down allot (over that mostly), but because my pro comp ES 1000 hits the panhard mount on the axle when flexed. there is a little dent in the shock already and they have only been on two days. (insert profanity here) also the shocks hit the mounts when the axle is all the way down but only straight down which wouldn't happen while driving unless it were airborne so I don't think I have to worry about that much. Yea, kicks had a much better rear suspension and I think suzuki is retarted for replacing the 3 link with 5 link cause the 3 link went down the road just as well or better.... oh well, at least it has a frame and solid rear unlike the new GV
2000 Grand Vitara.. boondox coil spacer lift w/ pro comp 2 inch lift shocks and ome struts. 225/75 R16 Kumho Mt's, powdercoated wheels, rear brake line relocation and stuff to acomodate. custom exhaust and intake along with some 1 off accesories.

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Re: want a second opinion about ome coil lift setup I am considering
« Reply #6 on: June 11, 2006, 05:16:43 AM »
I run the Boondox ones myself, I've had them on for a few months and there is no sagging or mis-shapening happening. They are really high quality, shaped to fit the coil and spring pocket perfectly. Maroon Monsoon you bought the right ones as far as I concerned, the only "sag" should be if your stock coils go south! I just added a set of BDS coils from Boondox's garage sale page, with them and the coil spacers I now have almost 3" of lift both front and rear. Going to fab up my own 3" body lift this week and finally get to stuff my new 265/75/16's (32")under my rig! Good luck with your install! :)
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Boondox coil spacers and BDS springs 3.25" rear lift/3" front lift,3" body lift. 265/75/16 Durango Mud Terrains. (32")

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Re: want a second opinion about ome coil lift setup I am considering
« Reply #7 on: June 11, 2006, 07:50:53 AM »
The 5-link is a superior design as it eliminates the goofy 3-link they had before with the so-so quality ball joint.  A 3-like is simpler but that's about all it has going for it.

I like solid front axles under trucks but no amount of bitching is going to get the OEM's to switch back.  (Ford excluded ;D)

JD used the RR Heep spacers.

The Boondox ones shouldn't sag, hell, polyurethane is far more dense than suspension rubber.  If not, ask the original designer of Boondox's spacers:
http://www.k9rdj.co.uk/vitara/vitlift.htm
I just get the feeling RR's spacers loose some integrity when you bore out the center hole, not to mention due to the geometry of the front Jeep springs have FAR lower spring rates than a Track/Kick/Vit/GV/etc front springs have.

I've got NAPA nitrogen truck shocks for the front of a FJ60 Land Cruiser on the rear of the GV.  About $20 each and fit great with the 2" lift.  MUCH stiffer and larger than the stock shocks but they don't seem to hit the axle or anything else even when I cycle it.  I'll have to check the panhard bar though.

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Re: want a second opinion about ome coil lift setup I am considering
« Reply #8 on: June 11, 2006, 03:17:44 PM »
glad to hear the boondox ones hold up well. I thought for the little bit more they are than rocky road ones they were well worth it considering the way they fit the coil and the extra lift they provide. I thought rocky road ones were poly urethane as well but I could be wrong. either way, I'm glad I ordered the boondox ones and can't wait to get them. how are those BDS coils working on your 4 door? I thought they were for the 2 door kicks but it sounds like they are definatly working well for you. sounds like you got a good deal on those and good luck with your body lifting and 32 fitting

amj, I was messing around with my rear suspension last night seeing how much I need to extend my bump stops by raising the axle up and down with no coils in it but my bigger shocks were on so I'd know how far it can go. I realized the shock hits the panhard mount on the axle when I flexed the passenger side up all the way. it limits the down travel on the drivers side and dents the shock. if your new shocks are as small around as stock you probably don't have this problem but I am a bit dissapointed myself. I guess the 5 link seems like a stronger desighn now that I think about it. more links, no iffy ball joint on the top. but I am upset at this bracket and the way the panhard makes the axle go to the passenger side when the suspension is all the way down. that second issue isn't really a big deal, just a tadd annoying. it would have been cool if they would have done 4 link on these


I agree that solid axle would be cool. I do like ifs but solid axle would be much easier and cheaper to mod really nicely. I might fab up a dual control arm seup someday for the front of my zuk cause that seems like the only way to really have a nice ifs to have articulation comparable to solid axle and have a good amount of lift and travel. I'll make the most of my single control arm ifs for the time being though, want to make sway bar disconnects cause it works beautifly with the sway bar off but it's a bit iffy on the road that way


2000 Grand Vitara.. boondox coil spacer lift w/ pro comp 2 inch lift shocks and ome struts. 225/75 R16 Kumho Mt's, powdercoated wheels, rear brake line relocation and stuff to acomodate. custom exhaust and intake along with some 1 off accesories.

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Re: want a second opinion about ome coil lift setup I am considering
« Reply #9 on: June 11, 2006, 10:33:11 PM »
can I run the 2 inch strut extenders without worrying about too much droop for the CV's to handle?
2000 Grand Vitara.. boondox coil spacer lift w/ pro comp 2 inch lift shocks and ome struts. 225/75 R16 Kumho Mt's, powdercoated wheels, rear brake line relocation and stuff to acomodate. custom exhaust and intake along with some 1 off accesories.

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Re: want a second opinion about ome coil lift setup I am considering
« Reply #10 on: June 12, 2006, 03:31:48 AM »
You should be fine, with the longer coils or spacers it'd be about perfect.

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Re: want a second opinion about ome coil lift setup I am considering
« Reply #11 on: June 12, 2006, 11:46:50 AM »
amj, I was messing around with my rear suspension last night seeing how much I need to extend my bump stops by raising the axle up and down with no coils in it but my bigger shocks were on so I'd know how far it can go. I realized the shock hits the panhard mount on the axle when I flexed the passenger side up all the way. it limits the down travel on the drivers side and dents the shock. if your new shocks are as small around as stock you probably don't have this problem but I am a bit dissapointed myself. I guess the 5 link seems like a stronger desighn now that I think about it. more links, no iffy ball joint on the top. but I am upset at this bracket and the way the panhard makes the axle go to the passenger side when the suspension is all the way down. that second issue isn't really a big deal, just a tadd annoying. it would have been cool if they would have done 4 link on these


http://www.sky-manufacturing.com/ has some relocated shock mounts in a kit for the Sidekick.  I wonder how they would work on the 99+ models.  I haven't seen them on the website, but they were selling them on eBay a while ago.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=8041361914&category=33585
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http://www.zukiworld.com/forum/index.php?topic=35.msg111575#msg111575[/url]

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Re: want a second opinion about ome coil lift setup I am considering
« Reply #12 on: June 12, 2006, 05:47:12 PM »
You should be fine, with the longer coils or spacers it'd be about perfect.

how durable are the strut extenders? I am concerned about compromising strength if I use them. would it be possible to extend the struts after I lift it and not have to alighn it again? (by undoinf the top of the strut and putting the extender on while the bottom is bolted up)

and I didn't see those shock mount relocater thingers on sky's site. it's a shame. sounds like a good idea though. after realizing the shock hits the panhard mount I want to weld my own mounts on my axle eventually. the shocks hang down a bit low anyway. if I did that and redid the top ones it would be pretty wicked. not going to worry much about it for a few years, it's my only vehicle and I have to pay for 4 years of college starting this fall so that's why I am staying on a budget with the spacers instead of new coils
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Re: want a second opinion about ome coil lift setup I am considering
« Reply #13 on: June 12, 2006, 05:50:32 PM »
You'll break your shock bodies before you break those extenders.  You can ask maplebar or Quaddawg on this site as they have installed theirs but from just handling mine I can tell you these are heavy duty steel.  Bar stock stuff.

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Re: want a second opinion about ome coil lift setup I am considering
« Reply #14 on: June 12, 2006, 05:52:25 PM »
so do you think those extenders are a must with the lift I'm going to do?
2000 Grand Vitara.. boondox coil spacer lift w/ pro comp 2 inch lift shocks and ome struts. 225/75 R16 Kumho Mt's, powdercoated wheels, rear brake line relocation and stuff to acomodate. custom exhaust and intake along with some 1 off accesories.