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Offline Bobzooki

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OK Wild - a Wild Question:  MegaSquirt II
« on: January 13, 2005, 12:53:42 AM »
Do I remember correctly, thast you are using a MegaSquirt to control your EFI?

Here's the big question:  If you move up to a MegaSquirt II, can you completely get rid of the problematic (and rare, and expensive) ECU on a Kick?

Have you looked at it yet?
« Last Edit: January 13, 2005, 12:54:02 AM by Bobzooki »
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Re: OK Wild - a Wild Question:  MegaSquirt II
« Reply #1 on: January 13, 2005, 03:58:27 AM »
You can do that with MSI
MSII will have ignition control, boost retard
and idle selonoid control too if I remember right

The easy way is to change the ECU on a 16V
engine that has the multi point injection, tho
it would work fine on a TBI setup also, you just
use one injection channel instead of both.

The biggest challenge is to get the right sensor
values to plug into the Thermal database, but once
those are worked out, the cold start wizard gets the
cold start settings setup quickly, and a little tuning
later you might be saving some fuel if you want to
run on lean burn at cruise.

My stock ECU constantly goes up and down, from
ideal to off the lean on the fuel mixture guage.
I think with the MS I could lean out more and gain
some mileage, tho lean burn creates higher NOX
which is tested here in Cal. not sure about in Co.

;D
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Re: OK Wild - a Wild Question:  MegaSquirt II
« Reply #2 on: January 13, 2005, 06:52:47 AM »
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The easy way is to change the ECU on a 16V engine that has the multi point injection, tho it would work fine on a TBI setup also, you just use one injection channel instead of both.

The biggest challenge is to get the right sensor
values to plug into the Thermal database, but once
those are worked out, the cold start wizard gets the
cold start settings setup quickly, and a little tuning
later you might be saving some fuel if you want to
run on lean burn at cruise.


So...  I could put a MSII on my 16 valve, control all 4 injectors CORRECTLY, and throw away the ECU?  Would this theoretically give me more power?
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Re: OK Wild - a Wild Question:  MegaSquirt II
« Reply #3 on: January 13, 2005, 07:11:47 AM »
How much skill/knowledge would be needed to make this happen (MSII) on my 16v?

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Re: OK Wild - a Wild Question:  MegaSquirt II
« Reply #4 on: January 13, 2005, 03:44:18 PM »
Yes MS-II can do all the factory ECU
did, and then some.

The skills required would be basic soldering
skills, (this is a kit) or hire somebody to build
it for you, and then you will need a laptop to
tune the system, and then finetune for emissions
or mileage, or power, or whatever your goals
are, you descide what you want, and program
and tune the MS to do that.

As far as power, well, you only get the power
the engine is capable of producing, more fuel
does not mean more power if you don't get more air,
air + fuel = more power, cams, headers, highflow cats
and exhaust systems, and free flow air filters give
more power, then more radical stuff like porting
and bigger valves, super and turbo charging, NOS
things like that give more power yet.
A good goal for power to Cubic Inches ratio is 1 HP/CI

More than that requires lots of flow testing, cam
research, exhaust flow and harmonics research,
carefull back pressure control (except in the case
of super/turbo charging) as well as compression
ratio and valvetrain weights and spring tensions

It can be done, most don't need it but want it,
the cost can be high for trick parts, forged aluminum
rods, titanium valves and retainers, forged pistons
blueprinting and ballancing, it all helps, but costs $$

Ask CZ, he spent a good chunk of change on the
trick replacement motor from Reynold's, but the
power was much higher than stock.

Ohh to have $$ and time to trick out a 1.6L to
a 1800 and tweek it for major power, like 200+
power like that is awsome in the sand.

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Re: OK Wild - a Wild Question:  MegaSquirt II
« Reply #5 on: January 14, 2005, 12:36:51 AM »
 8)

Gee, I'm a NASA certified solderer!

Well, and I was an electronics tech, and electronics engineer, before I became a bit-head.

Just the thought of being free of the hard to find, ridiculuously expensive ECU, makes me want to put MSII's in BOTH my 95 Kicks!  And, like you say, the stock ECU can have the mixture bouncing all over the place - I would like to keep it running "right" as close to all the time as possible.

I have a dream!  And it's a relatively CHEAP dream, too!

OH, and the county I live in, in Colorado, has NO emissions inspections!
« Last Edit: January 14, 2005, 12:38:01 AM by Bobzooki »
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Re: OK Wild - a Wild Question:  MegaSquirt II
« Reply #6 on: January 14, 2005, 03:12:36 PM »
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Do I remember correctly, thast you are using a MegaSquirt to control your EFI?

Here's the big question:  If you move up to a MegaSquirt II, can you completely get rid of the problematic (and rare, and expensive) ECU on a Kick?

Have you looked at it yet?


I've been thinking of the same thing.

I'm looking at  this system http://www.link-electro.co.nz/home.html for if I ever get around to modding or Turboing the engine  ;D.

I like the idea of being able to "fine" tune the electronics to suit mods and being able to do diagnostic's from a PC at home along with the fact I can mount the module up out of harms way.

I have a mate who fitted his own in to a Nissan Skyline that he re powered with a Nissan V8, he reckons it would be a breeze to fit to mine.  8)