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Calmini S.A.S.
« on: December 27, 2004, 10:43:07 AM »
I emailed Calmini a while back and I got this reply:


The largest holdup on the SAS kit for the Sidekicks/Trackers is the lack of interest that we have seen.  We have no immediate plans to release this kit at this time.  Please call the sales office for further details regarding this setup.  Thank you for your interest in the CALMINI Suzuki line. Awaiting your call.

Best Regards
Sales Department
CALMINI Products Mfg.
http://www.CALMINI.com
Sales: 800-345-3305


After I called and spoke to Steve Kramer he said they're going to try and develope a lesser expensive out fit and a different setup than Eric Bewley's. Steve mentioned everone that wants this needs to show more interest and call in and email the sales office. This will not be for the weak at heart and cheap-skates they're trying to make it affordable for the serious minded individuals and it should start around 2.5K and be available in stages

So if the Suzuki crowd wants more and is not timid or tight with money.
Email or Call and show your support!!!


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Re: Calmini S.A.S.
« Reply #1 on: December 27, 2004, 10:44:25 AM »
I support it fully, but don't have the funds to back it up, so it would be rather pointless for me to call.  :-/
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Re: Calmini S.A.S.
« Reply #2 on: December 27, 2004, 10:49:50 AM »
I'd love to see a Calmini SAS kit, aside from the fact that they're hell-bent on making it a bolt-on kit. I'd imagine costs would be waaaaay lower if they just allowed us to do some welding of our own.

Also, are they fucking nuts, if they made a cheap SAS kit (not the 2.5k bolt-on shiz they're talking about) they could make a fucking killing in the Trackick market.
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Re: Calmini S.A.S.
« Reply #3 on: December 27, 2004, 11:02:47 AM »
You need to define "killing" with the Track/Kick
market, selling ohh lets see make up some #s
lets say 100 kits/year, and then you develop a
kit for a Ford F-150 that sells like 10,000 kits/year

No wonder nobody main stream, like Rancho, or
Fab-Tech or whatever, makes Track/Kick kits, there
just isn't the big money in it to justify tyeing up a line
or a few workers to produce, when the same workers
can help keep up with demand for the Ford/Chevy/Dodge
crowd, who willingly drop 10,000 grand into a $40,000
truck and are happy to look b!tchen doing it

The only people that are willing to stick their necks
out are the diehards like us, Eric for one has to be the
best friend Suzuki ever had, he puts time, energy and
Lord knows how much money he throws at this web
site, server costs, even the bandwidth is expensive
if you get into it, and he does this for the sport, puts
on the ZW feed in Moab, gives away stickers and stuff
Total Thanks to Eric and the diehard people that keep
this section of the sport alive, I scoured the net before
I found a home to read and share ideas with other like
minded people like myself, Thanks to Eric, I have a new
group of friends

Thank's Again to Eric,
God Speed The Evil Seed

Wild
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Re: Calmini S.A.S.
« Reply #4 on: December 27, 2004, 11:18:07 AM »
Quote
You need to define "killing" with the Track/Kick
market, selling ohh lets see make up some #s
lets say 100 kits/year, and then you develop a
kit for a Ford F-150 that sells like 10,000 kits/year

No wonder nobody main stream, like Rancho, or
Fab-Tech or whatever, makes Track/Kick kits, there
just isn't the big money in it to justify tyeing up a line
or a few workers to produce, when the same workers
can help keep up with demand for the Ford/Chevy/Dodge
crowd, who willingly drop 10,000 grand into a $40,000
truck and are happy to look b!tchen doing it

The only people that are willing to stick their necks
out are the diehards like us, Eric for one has to be the
best friend Suzuki ever had, he puts time, energy and
Lord knows how much money he throws at this web
site, server costs, even the bandwidth is expensive
if you get into it, and he does this for the sport, puts
on the ZW feed in Moab, gives away stickers and stuff
Total Thanks to Eric and the diehard people that keep
this section of the sport alive, I scoured the net before
I found a home to read and share ideas with other like
minded people like myself, Thanks to Eric, I have a new
group of friends

Thank's Again to Eric,
God Speed The Evil Seed

Wild

Yeah, but if they made a kit that had all the stuff that you'd need to put your own axle in for a comparable price to the 3" lift kit that offered a few more inches of lift, then I'd imagine there are more of us cheap zuker's that'd buy it rather than having to drop 2500 on a kit that includes a custom axle housing and everything. Then again, maybe not :-/
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Re: Calmini S.A.S.
« Reply #5 on: December 27, 2004, 11:47:43 AM »
 You gottat be on more than just but crack to think that it is even remotely feasable for them to include a front housing for that kind of money! Look at how much the front axles are from TT or Spidertrax! The alone are close to that much. TT is working on a kit for the Toy axles and the kit is supposed to be just a little more than that when it's finally out.
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Re: Calmini S.A.S.
« Reply #6 on: December 27, 2004, 03:26:49 PM »
The SAS kit would be nice, but what I think is one of the many things great about this site is that we are all fabricators. We have 3 kids and I just have never had a lot of money to throw down on toys, but over time have built up my tools and try to make everything that I can. I would have loved to get the calmini 3" lift for my tracker but just didn't have the extra cash. So for a little more or less than $100 I made a comb. body and suspension lift. After seeing the 283 v8 tracker with the jeep axles I'm thinking about doing some serious fabricating in the near future ;D.
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Re: Calmini S.A.S.
« Reply #7 on: December 28, 2004, 02:27:54 AM »
I hear ya, I'm in the same boat, not as many kids,
but you and I are on the same map  ;)

So what is wanted in a SAS kit ?
What parts do you want included?
What parts do you want to make?
Should it include an axle housing?
How much are you willing to pay for it?

These are all valid spec questions and
I think need a general group answer, you
want to do this as a group buy? Do you want
to go SAS or is it a fantasy dream ?

Chime in if you want to be heard

Wild
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Re: Calmini S.A.S.
« Reply #8 on: December 28, 2004, 02:39:37 AM »
What kind of axle are you thinkin about? toy, D44 or D30 you can get those almost free from the jeep guys and they make every thing for it. Or Sammy stuff but that would be a waste of time, I think you can make your Ifs hold up as well as sammy stuff.

Waht do ya think a nice 4 link with coils or a 3 link with a trac bar?

I gotta get a track.


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Re: Calmini S.A.S.
« Reply #9 on: December 28, 2004, 02:53:12 AM »
Toyota or D44 would be the axle
I think the axle should be a part
that the builder should aquire

The kit should include a 4 link control arm
system, springs, shocks/mounts and brake
lines.  the rest should be installers choice

Steering Z link or whatever you want to get
is easily purchased from other suppliers and
would be hard to include not having a specific
axle in a package

The driveshaft would be a similar problem,
without knowing the U-joint/flange setup
it would be hard to include.

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Re: Calmini S.A.S.
« Reply #10 on: December 28, 2004, 03:14:07 AM »
So let me know if I miss anything

frame braket for the 4 link
weld on perches for the axle end of the links
weld on axle spring pads ( can you use the stock spring location for the upper spring mount)?
Shock mounts (same question)
Springs from Eibach or ? (What rate, dia, length)
Brake lines are easy
Detailed Instructions maybe a vid?

What else?
what do you need to cut off? does the oil pan get in the way? easy fix.

I got a spare right drop D44 from a scout. I need to find a kick and give this a try what do ya think, you wanna donate? ;D

Thanks
Wayne
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Re: Calmini S.A.S.
« Reply #11 on: December 28, 2004, 03:28:00 AM »
even thought i'm not a SAS guy i'm give some input.  i think a D44 would be a little too big for a SAS tracker, more like  D35 would be better, but i guess thats up to the installer.  
how much lift would this provide?
what joints would be used?
what about using stock tracker rear lower arm joints?

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Re: Calmini S.A.S.
« Reply #12 on: December 28, 2004, 03:28:36 AM »
There are a few IFS mount points that
need torching off, but not too bad, the
pan could be in the way, more lift will fix
that problem  ;)

I assumed the mounts for the control links
Springs would be an easy get 200-225 rate
14-16" 5" Dia would work
Spring pads are a nice addition
Stock spring locations could work, but
stock shock locations probably not

For now I'm a diehard IFS fan, I'll get to the SAS
someday, but I have too many ideas for IFS to
let go now.  So I can't donate ................ Yet  ;)
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Re: Calmini S.A.S.
« Reply #13 on: December 28, 2004, 03:36:01 AM »
Sammy pan should fix the pan thing I have heard they fit with a bit of mod never tried it.

should be able to do it with a bit of imaginering. but hard to do with no rig. I need to buy one.

hello bueler anybody ;D

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Re: Calmini S.A.S.
« Reply #14 on: December 28, 2004, 03:37:21 AM »
PARTS FROM VENDOR:
1. links 3 0r 4 link
2. steering linkage ,upper, with one joint for steeringbox drop pitman arm say 3"
3. slip yoke elminators ( or recomend an easy t-case swap)
4. coilsprings and mounting purches ,ready to weld and use  stock springs or calmini 3" lift springs
5. should clear 35" to 38" tires
6. detaled instructions for the axle u choose should be atleast 3 axles that will fit by adjusting rim backspacing
7. OPTIONAL: to adjust track length

PARTS FROM US:
1. axle CJ dana 30, toyota, old Ford Rnager, Bronco 60's modle dana 44
2. coilovers my be an option $$$
3. drive shafts C.V. would be a good idea
4. joint from upper steering link to axle
5. rims and tires


oh what about the rear new links for the rear and atleast 5"s of lift
the only axle that has a close enough gear ratio is a toyota you can have the rest custome cut but that runs from $275 to $500
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