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Offline plepper

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Sammy or Sidekick
« on: November 16, 2004, 01:57:28 PM »
Hi I'm a total newbie but want ideas about what would be the best ride for me. I currently explore the mountains and trails with suzuki 4wd quads with my wife and am thinking of a sidekick/sammy. I wont be doing any rockcrawling or extreme stuff but don't want to get stuck while exploring. I like the looks of Sidekicks but theres not much info that I can find . what parts are neccessary.
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Re:  Sammy or Sidekick
« Reply #1 on: November 16, 2004, 02:55:02 PM »
well i have a sidekick, i have a 3" body lift and 30" tires i am thinking of putting in some 2 inch coil spacers too it. i foudn that they are pretty inexpensive vehicles to lift could probly to a 5" total lift (3" body lift) and about 2" suspension lift) for about 200 bucks..
any other questions? feel free to ask
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Re:  Sammy or Sidekick
« Reply #2 on: November 16, 2004, 03:00:48 PM »
I have a slightly modified SideKick


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Re:  Sammy or Sidekick
« Reply #3 on: November 16, 2004, 03:12:07 PM »
and its multi colored! ;D
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Re:  Sammy or Sidekick
« Reply #4 on: November 16, 2004, 03:13:24 PM »
That's urban Camoflage  ;)
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Re:  Sammy or Sidekick
« Reply #5 on: November 16, 2004, 03:38:21 PM »
I have a little Tracker too ;)
I went for the Tracker for the bigger interior and the 16valve.
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Re:  Sammy or Sidekick
« Reply #6 on: November 16, 2004, 05:48:07 PM »
In my experience with Samurai's (9 years and I currently own 9 of them)

I prefer the Kick / Tracker as it is newer and updated.

But if you get a Samurai you will most likely run into some of these items that will need to be replaced due to age wear and abuse.

Steering Rag joint (1)
Transfer case rubber mounts (3) $52
Transfercase shifter sheet (1)  $10
5-spd Trans Shifter locating bolt (1)
Engine mounts rubber (2)

Then in short order you will find that the Trans bearings are noisy (Place the t-case in neutral) and go thru all 5 gears listening to the bearings.  5th gear noise will scare ya!    Replace the Trans bearings ($100 kit)  Don't forget the new front and rear main shaft seals or the gear oil will leak out when you park on a hill and kill your fresh rebuild.  

Then you find that the lower king pin bearings are worn / rusted from abuse / holding water.  

So you replace all (4) king pin bearings and do the knuckle seal kit.

Then the Rear wheel axle bearings go bad.  So you replace both sides.  While also replacing both of the  rear wheel brake cylinders as both are locked up and not moving.

Now that it is running and being driven daily you can concentrate on the oil leaks from the front and rear crank seal  and Distributor O-ring seal.  

ANd don't ever overtighten the lug nuts as they will strip in the hub and spin making them not removable.  

Always lube and torque the lug nuts properly.

Now your kids can go for a ride with your in the newly rebuilt sammy, But while (playing) entering and exiting the vehicle they manage to break both the inner and outer door handles on both doors along with the window crank handles and glove box door.  

Sammy owners, You've Gotta love it.

« Last Edit: November 16, 2004, 09:16:34 PM by whitfield »
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Re:  Sammy or Sidekick
« Reply #7 on: November 16, 2004, 09:43:57 PM »
With a mild lift, some good tires and a rear locker, you will be shocked at all the places you can take a Kick. My vote is for a Kick ;D

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Re:  Sammy or Sidekick
« Reply #8 on: November 16, 2004, 09:57:05 PM »
Another vote for a Sidekick if you're intending on some light wheeling. It's a capable vehicle, and like everyone else said alread, it's more comfortable and large :)
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Re:  Sammy or Sidekick
« Reply #9 on: November 16, 2004, 10:19:25 PM »
i prefer the vitara (sidekick). a lot of reasons why.

most do up sierras (sammys) cos they are easier and cheaper, well they say.

but the sierras are a tight fit for just city driving, and if you want to go exploring, you probably want to pack some gear (at least a days worth) right? so the vitara has more room (spacious interior), is more comfy, wider, and i think it looks better (when modded right).

a tank of fuel for a days wheeling - $40 AUD
a snatch to snatch your sierra out when you get stuck - $80 AUD
the look on your face when a Vitara drives through where you got stuck - PRICELESS (AUD)

i just love to 'kick' the sierras when off road and the look and expression of other people's faces when they see you rock up in a lifted Vit.

well, i dont (try not to) do much extreme stuff, except mud, so my vit is pretty much tame. i also do a lot of exploring, like looking for new tracks and going hunting for the week end, and that sorta stuff.

well for your question to which would be the better ride, you'll have to decide. i went for the Vit for a change, and to see what they can really do, and they do do a lot!

another thing, with a sierra, you can keep going up and up and up and then over on to the side...... the thing about VitS is that they are wider already in a standard form, and are limiting to how high you can go with lift, which i see as a good thing. well for me anyway, keeps me safe to a certain 'degree' . if you get what i mean.


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Re:  Sammy or Sidekick
« Reply #10 on: November 17, 2004, 03:10:02 AM »
one more vote for kick,  just cuz i own one.



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Re:  Sammy or Sidekick
« Reply #11 on: November 17, 2004, 07:38:23 AM »
you know me..

but in this case, I'll post two pics from a time when my truck was at it's sweetest point before the SAS.



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Re:  Sammy or Sidekick
« Reply #12 on: November 17, 2004, 12:11:03 PM »
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Hi I'm a total newbie but want ideas about what would be the best ride for me. I currently explore the mountains and trails with suzuki 4wd quads with my wife and am thinking of a sidekick/sammy. I wont be doing any rockcrawling or extreme stuff but don't want to get stuck while exploring. I like the looks of Sidekicks but theres not much info that I can find . what parts are neccessary.


Either would be a good ride. The 'Kick will have a bit more top-end speed for non-4WD activities. (i.e. commuting.) It's amazing, in its original form, the places a stock Sammy will take you, though. I could stradle ruts left by other 4x4's. The only time I got stuck is when I dropped into the ruts from the Jeeps... and bellied in.

If you aren't running heavily rutted roads, you probably don't need many changes. Lifts and oversized tires are great for conquering axle deep mud, but otherwise either rig will do well in stock form and will handle better on the road.

For boonie running, you might consider grabber tires, a tool kit, and some emergency gear. If you don't want to install a winch, a come-along, shovel and chain will get you out of most unexpected holes. Back it up with a cell phone & you are ready to go.

If most of your exploring is on logging roads and such, even the 2WD will do the job... but 4WD will get you more places.
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Re:  Sammy or Sidekick
« Reply #13 on: November 17, 2004, 04:13:14 PM »
ummmmmm, i vote sj410 long wheelbase.....now im gona get outa here before i get any heat!!!!!! :o
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Re:  Sammy or Sidekick
« Reply #14 on: November 17, 2004, 05:07:08 PM »
JUST ONE  ;D  I have two samurai's and a kick, the kick makes good parts for the samurai's   :)
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