yea it doesnt really sound like a bottom end knock, its kind of wierd, loud though, its like " clack clack clack " and when you rev it up it kinda changes sound a little, and it doesnt seem to knock on every revolution of the motor when you rev it either.. its kind of wierd, I did how ever find a screw that had fallen out of its hole on the cam cap? ( just under the cover ) but it didnt improve the noise atall.. and all of the valves seem to be in order from what I can tell.