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Offline museboy07

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need more power...with not alot of money
« on: August 05, 2007, 12:11:39 PM »
Well things felt through and money went low...so me gettin a new tracker is out of the question.   
  I currently have a 94 2dr 8v.  Ive just decided to put money into this one.  (the one i wanted was in better condition)  I have some deep dished bronco wheels, 31in mudders, 2in bodylift, and new struts and shocks on the way.  So im going to need the power to turn the bigger tires and heavier wheels.  I dont have the money to re gear so please dont mention that.  Right now i have a cheap cold air intake off ebay and stock exhaust with no cat and a cheery bomb.  This is what im thinkin to start out with.

1. k&n high flow air filter
2. custom 2in exhaust with high flow dynomax muffler (no cat? or use a cat?)
3. calmini header

ya i know not to much...but what else could i do??

Im stuck here with little money and a BIG 4wheelin heart lol
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Re: need more power...with not alot of money
« Reply #1 on: August 05, 2007, 12:38:55 PM »
hey muse honetly i don't think it worth the money to try too hard. i have 2 1/4 with cat and cherry bomb glass pack and a modified air box...there was a little increase but not much ....change the header and do maybe 2.5 exhaust. i forget who it was but one of the guys here did a tbi spacer and yielded some results...unless you get inside the engine you will just make more noise for very little gains. that said the header might be the only big difference.
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Offline museboy07

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Re: need more power...with not alot of money
« Reply #2 on: August 05, 2007, 12:43:32 PM »
So maybe a k&n filter, 2" to 2 1/2" exhaust, and a calmini header.  I look around for the throttle body spacer...but after all this i think ill just save up for some gears.
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Re: need more power...with not alot of money
« Reply #3 on: August 05, 2007, 09:12:39 PM »
Have you driven with the 31's yet?? Before you make any purchases or descisions, I'd drive it first to see if you mind it... My friend has an 89 tin top with 33's. He mainly just lost 5th gear on higway hills, but shifting is fun  ;)

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Re: need more power...with not alot of money
« Reply #4 on: August 06, 2007, 06:19:15 AM »
You are in search of the Holy Grail of all engine builders, more power for Cheap. You'll never get significant, read measurable, power gains without doing the work. If you want to acheive real power gains you'll have to increase the displacement ( bigger bore, longer stroke) or burn more fuel mixture per cycle, either through higher compression of forced induction ( turbo or supercharger), or spin the crank more times per minute to acheive more combustion cycles per minute. The only things you can do with a stock motor are optimize all of it's current profiles, make sure it gets all the fuel and air it can use at the RIGHT time. Air intakes, headers, timing, valve adjustments etc.  There are some after market devices that install inline with the maf sensor to increase fuel flow by modifing the signal to make the ecu read the air as colder and denser  than it really is, therby enriching the fuel mixture for a bit more power. Some work and some don't, be careful what you buy. I tried a vareity of things before I turbocharged my motor and the most significant gains were made with a Calmini header into a 2" catless exhaust, coupled with a K+N air filter in the stock airbox. On the fuel side I run a Next Level Performance Tri Phase signal modifier at the maf sensor coupled with the larger 210cc injectors I eventually ran with the Turbo. More air and fuel in, freer flowing exhaust out= more power. It ran great this way, but nothing like it does with the turbo. Remember, Anything you do to one side, must be accompanied by something on the other side to get any increase.  Good Luck.
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Re: need more power...with not alot of money
« Reply #5 on: August 06, 2007, 08:47:14 AM »
Everything bentparts said is right on the money, The only thing I would add to this discussion is ignition. A friend of mine, a long time ago reported that he gained significant power in his 8V by installing a multi spark Jacobs ignition. As I recall he said it made a huge difference in the engines performance. I had just got a good deal on a used single spark Jacobs, which I also saw gains from. So I desided to stay with that until it wore out. It has been about 10 or 12 years since then and it is still going. However a Jacobs multi spark ignition is on my short list of mods when I rebuild lil Suzys engine. Dave
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Re: need more power...with not alot of money
« Reply #6 on: August 06, 2007, 09:15:47 AM »
Have you driven with the 31's yet?? Before you make any purchases or descisions, I'd drive it first to see if you mind it... My friend has an 89 tin top with 33's. He mainly just lost 5th gear on higway hills, but shifting is fun  ;)

no i havent drove it with the 31s.  I get paid thursday so im waitin till then to pick em up...i think ill just go with a 2in exhaust (no cat), k&n filter, and a calmini header for now
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Re: need more power...with not alot of money
« Reply #7 on: August 06, 2007, 10:03:51 AM »
There are some after market devices that install inline with the maf sensor to increase fuel flow by modifing the signal to make the ecu read the air as colder and denser  than it really is, therby enriching the fuel mixture for a bit more power. Some work and some don't, be careful what you buy.

He has a MAP based system.
The fundamental flaw with those plug in systems is that the ECU will correct the fuelling based on readings from the O2 sensor. If you need to enrichen the mixture a little then you could probably just unplug the O2 sensor to put it into open loop  mode. The fuelling gets richer as the engine wears and the VE drops, the O2 sensor is meant to compensate for this. You will of course get a CEL warning. Of course you will only see an improvement if the engine is running leaner than required which it probably isn't.
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Re: need more power...with not alot of money
« Reply #8 on: August 06, 2007, 05:20:28 PM »
   A good midrange cam.i know you don't want to,but gears are the best option,and well worth the money and effort.

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Re: need more power...with not alot of money
« Reply #9 on: August 06, 2007, 05:23:55 PM »
well 5.83 gears for the rear arent available at all right now so its not even like i can go ahead and buy them.  By the way...if i ever get gears...do you think i could have the front and rear in if i work at it for 8-10 hours a day for two days?...have you know i work in a garage so i got all the tools and a lift right there to use  ;D
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Re: need more power...with not alot of money
« Reply #10 on: August 06, 2007, 08:17:21 PM »
well 5.83 gears for the rear arent available at all right now so its not even like i can go ahead and buy them.  By the way...if i ever get gears...do you think i could have the front and rear in if i work at it for 8-10 hours a day for two days?...have you know i work in a garage so i got all the tools and a lift right there to use  ;D

8-10 hours should have you done in 1 day.
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Re: need more power...with not alot of money
« Reply #11 on: August 06, 2007, 08:34:02 PM »
really...i thought it was a realllllly hard job...am i wrong?
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Re: need more power...with not alot of money
« Reply #12 on: August 06, 2007, 11:43:38 PM »
hey dude i got a 88 samin and when i got it  it would barely do 50 mph i started looking at detail stuff and found that the throttle  was only opening  about 2 /3rds the way and the timing was very slow tweaked all of that and now i'm running 31x10.50's and like thaat other dude said i basically lost 5th gear and don't see 4th i in town very often . i would say just make sure all of the little details are set right with the world and drive it for a while  before you spend a lot of money!

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Re: need more power...with not alot of money
« Reply #13 on: August 07, 2007, 09:51:43 PM »
um yea. in a garage with a lift. both diffs, 6 hours :D. if you dont have to read directions. i can do a dana 80 in 2 1/2 on a good day. the trick is not to over think it ???. oh and not to over torque the cruch sleeves :o :'(. if both front and rear pinions use the same crush sleeves and call for the same amount of torque to start your preload do one the hard way and then just turn your torque wrench down 10 or 15 ft lbs to start the second diff. it takes 20-30 minutes off the job from the start. and if your organized enough "which i am far from by the way" do both diffs at the same exact time. all the burrings from both diffs pressed on/off ,then preload both pinions. etc. etc. you may feel like youre jumping back and forth but you dont have to swap tools as much and you fly through it fast. i just thought id give my 2 cents. :)

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Re: need more power...with not alot of money
« Reply #14 on: August 08, 2007, 04:25:17 AM »
um yea. in a garage with a lift. both diffs, 6 hours :D. if you dont have to read directions. i can do a dana 80 in 2 1/2 on a good day. the trick is not to over think it ???. oh and not to over torque the cruch sleeves :o :'(. if both front and rear pinions use the same crush sleeves and call for the same amount of torque to start your preload do one the hard way and then just turn your torque wrench down 10 or 15 ft lbs to start the second diff. it takes 20-30 minutes off the job from the start. and if your organized enough "which i am far from by the way" do both diffs at the same exact time. all the burrings from both diffs pressed on/off ,then preload both pinions. etc. etc. you may feel like youre jumping back and forth but you dont have to swap tools as much and you fly through it fast. i just thought id give my 2 cents. :)


Hey thanks for the info man  :)
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