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Sidekick SAS -SYE-Sammy trans.conversion

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Offline wildgoody

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Re: Sidekick -Sammy -SAS-trans conversion
« Reply #15 on: November 11, 2004, 04:09:57 PM »
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and the fab of SYE using stock Sidekick's differential flanges is the other way to go.The problem is that I never seen anyone that did such mod.Not even one.And my argument is , what if this mod fails and the t-case output shafts break?  


The machining of a small threaded hole in the
output shaft is not going to weaken the shaft
to a point of being a problem, driveshafts are
hollow, and fairly thin as well, yes somtimes
they do break, $#!+ happens but the SYE is
the issue here, and if an 8mm hole seems too
large, a 6 mm hole is plenty small and a 6mm
bolt will still have a 15,000 PSI breaking strength.

This is a mod I have planned on doing for quite
a while now, and one of these days I'll get it done
I just got to get off my butt and do it, I even have
the flanges I just need to weld, drill and tap

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Re: Sidekick -Sammy -SAS-trans conversion
« Reply #16 on: November 11, 2004, 04:29:04 PM »
I would do a kicker 2 and have them find the toyota t -case and the suzuki t-case sell them to you mod them and mail them.
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Re: Sidekick -Sammy -SAS-trans conversion
« Reply #17 on: November 11, 2004, 06:39:47 PM »
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I would do a kicker 2 and have them find the toyota t -case and the suzuki t-case sell them to you mod them and mail them.

Sorry but english is not my native language.Can you translate what you said ?
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Re: Sidekick -Sammy -SAS-trans conversion
« Reply #18 on: November 12, 2004, 01:26:36 AM »
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I would do a kicker 2 and have them find the toyota t -case and the suzuki t-case sell them to you mod them and mail them.


Why the Kicker 2 over the Kicker 3? I can see having a toy tcase might be good,

However, in Greece it's possible that these toy tcases are hard to come by. We know for sure that Samurai's are over there.

In some cases, OTT does not even need the Samurai case, they didn't with ours. The only case they modify is the Sidekick case. So it's possible that GRVIT can find a Samurai case in Greece which will save him some money for shipping, and the cost of purchase in the US. (or Canada in this case, since that is where OTT is located.)

What you stated is pretty much exactly, to the t, what GRVIT was going to do with the Kicker 3... as he stated in an above post.

:)

Sigh. It would have been nice if Suzuki would have kept the flanges on the transfer case for the Vit/Kick like they had for the Samurai.

I still think if somebody made an SYE for the Kick, and in some fashion, made it bolt on - similar to what Calmini was doing with the SYE for their SAS kit - wouldbe the best option. You wouldn't have to focus on having to make custom crossmembers this way either.
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Re: Sidekick SAS -SYE-Sammy trans.conversion
« Reply #19 on: November 12, 2004, 04:36:01 AM »
I know of two people that have used sammi tcases. One  (John Sackley) used a sammi box and tcase and ran 35" tyres with a SAS using a sammi front axle. The other was Dave Jones (http://www.k9rdj.co.uk) who uses a sammi tcase behind a Track/Kick gearbox, he has rockcrawlers in the tcase and has now gone to 35s also as his gearing was too low for road use.
You don't have to use an adapter to mate the Track/Kick engine to the Sammi box but you will have to drill and tap two holes.
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Re: Sidekick SAS -SYE-Sammy trans.conversion
« Reply #20 on: November 12, 2004, 05:14:51 AM »
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You don't have to use an adapter to mate the Track/Kick engine to the Sammi box but you will have to drill and tap two holes.

I know Dave.He helped me with the Calmini mods together with Simom (TONKA-TOY)  :).
I havent talked with Sackley.I know he has a Sammy trans case and t-case but I couldnt find his e-mail to contact him.
Thanks for the advise about mating the Sammy box to the Kick's engine.But I hope the Trailtough flange will help me avoid drilling and taping.And its relatively cheap for what it does.Do you know if something changes with the clutch unit?
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Re: Sidekick SAS -SYE-Sammy trans.conversion
« Reply #21 on: November 12, 2004, 10:55:12 AM »
I think the Sammy t-cases are pretty tough!

We run Calmini 4.24 Kick gears in our Kicker3 and then the Sammy t-case behind it.

Been holding up just fine to the additional torque for a year now.

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Re: Sidekick SAS -SYE-Sammy trans.conversion
« Reply #22 on: November 12, 2004, 02:00:29 PM »
I think the sammi case is a stronger case than the kick's.  In addition there is a gear reduction in the sammi case, and depending on what gears you have in your pigs, you can either run 33's with the 4.62's or 35's with the 5.13's to set your speedo back to stock.

my vote is the kicker 3 if you don't have the knowledge to lobb the kick case, throw a sammi case behind it and a shortened kick d-shaft between it. I managed to do it to my truck with a sawzall, a welder, and about 100 bucks (CDN funds) for steel, sawzall blades, and some rattle can primer and paint
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Re: Sidekick SAS -SYE-Sammy trans.conversion
« Reply #23 on: November 12, 2004, 05:58:11 PM »
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I think the sammi case is a stronger case than the kick's.  In addition there is a gear reduction in the sammi case, and depending on what gears you have in your pigs, you can either run 33's with the 4.62's or 35's with the 5.13's to set your speedo back to stock.

my vote is the kicker 3 if you don't have the knowledge to lobb the kick case, throw a sammi case behind it and a shortened kick d-shaft between it. I managed to do it to my truck with a sawzall, a welder, and about 100 bucks (CDN funds) for steel, sawzall blades, and some rattle can primer and paint


I checked again aproximately the overall cost of a kicker 3 (including the cost of a Sidekick's t-case) delivered in Greece. Together with shipping cost and duties paid at customs,the total is aprox.1600 $ where 46% is shipping and duties aprox.With labor cost and the cost of a Sammy t-case the total cost goes to aprox 2000$
I m still waiting for an answer from OTT though.
I know its the best solution but I also have to balance the options according to their cost vs benefit combination.
Till now the most cost effective combination is the replacement of the complete Sidekick trans with the Sammy one.Cause in this case I can find everything I need here,so it would be around 700$.With the rest ,till the 2000 $ I can get rockcrawlers in the Sammy t-case,adjustable driveshafts,e.t.c and there will be still money left.On the other hand most people say that the Sammy transmission is not as strong as the Sidekick's is,
maybe it isnt,I dont think that the difference is that big,but anyway I think I can compromise with that.

I f I was living in US, I would definately choose the Kicker 3 option.
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Re: Sidekick SAS -SYE-Sammy trans.conversion
« Reply #24 on: November 12, 2004, 06:05:19 PM »
You could come over for a vacation  ;)
then take your parts back as bagage
;D

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Re: Sidekick SAS -SYE-Sammy trans.conversion
« Reply #25 on: November 12, 2004, 06:31:34 PM »
That's a very good idea Wild. :)
I have an uncle in Toronto Canada and another one in US but I dont know in State ,causes he moves a lot.
which State should I choose ?   :)
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Re: Sidekick SAS -SYE-Sammy trans.conversion
« Reply #26 on: November 12, 2004, 06:47:42 PM »
I don't know, there are so many
I guess where Trail Tough is or
to Canada to see OTT

Come by here for Easter Jeep Safari
in Moab Utah   :)

Would be a feast for the eyes with
all of the mods on all the Zukes  ;D

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Re: Sidekick SAS -SYE-Sammy trans.conversion
« Reply #27 on: November 12, 2004, 06:51:35 PM »
 :)
that would be nice.I ll think about it next year.
Have to get my truck ready first . ;D
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Re: Sidekick SAS -SYE-Sammy trans.conversion
« Reply #28 on: November 12, 2004, 06:53:44 PM »
Bringing the Vit over ???
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Re: Sidekick SAS -SYE-Sammy trans.conversion
« Reply #29 on: November 12, 2004, 07:13:53 PM »
well ,yes .if I win the lottery here  ....  why not ?   ;D

I have to check if the 1300 86HP Sammy trans has any differences with the 65HP one.Maybe the Trailtough's kit can be used only with the old trans,in case there are differences between the two. ???

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