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Offline bioniconion

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« on: November 08, 2004, 03:34:18 AM »
ok i understand the concept of a locker. and i understand the brilliant of getting higher gears. now what im kinda lost on..is from what i can understand the locker completely replaces the differential. ok so if it replaces the differential are they still compatable with a higher gear? like arb for example. i wanted to put some nice 5.83 gears in my trac but would i have to use a locker like loc-tite or would the arb still be compatable..

i hate being a noob  :-[
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Re: lockers?
« Reply #1 on: November 08, 2004, 03:39:14 AM »
The lockers on our rigs do not completely replace the differential. Just the carrier inside the differential. The carrier sits inside the gears.

This means that yes, you can put whatever gear ratio you want into it.
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Re: lockers?
« Reply #2 on: November 08, 2004, 05:17:50 AM »
Bioniconion,

Heres what the inside of a standard (open) rear Sidekick diff looks likes,



And what the looks like once you place the ARB locker in it,



Fitting 5.83's at the same time you fit your lock is a good idea to save some $$$, wish I had of done it  at the time ???
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« Reply #3 on: November 08, 2004, 05:22:38 AM »
well i know arb's are bomb-diggity obviously with the driver command *driver lock when u want thing* but what about the loc-rite ones? how are they? 700+ bucks for the arb is pretty harsh for the rear when i hear the locrite will work just as well in the back. i want arb up front but any cheaper solutions for the rear? what about detroit? thanks for your help everyone :)
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« Reply #4 on: November 08, 2004, 05:33:33 AM »
If I was going to fit one of each I would be putting the ARB in the rear and a lock rite or similar in the front.

Reasons being,
1) Running on the road once you've unlocked your FWH means on clicking or unusual handling characteristics are taken care of.

2) Some times when going up some thing slippery and steep on the angle with the rear locked the ar$e end wants to  slide down hill, with ARB in the rear it gives me the choice of running up locked or unlock and  the front would be locked which isn't a problem in this situation.

Thats just my 2c anyways  ;D

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« Reply #5 on: November 08, 2004, 05:39:07 AM »
just put the loc-rite in the rear and forget about it! yes it replaces your spider gears in your stock carrier, and no do not put a locker in the front unless you plan on spending alot of money, it will get you where you want to go and get you some time on the trail so you can see what you need.
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Re: lockers?
« Reply #6 on: November 08, 2004, 05:55:14 AM »
i hear a full posi in the front is a bad idea anyways because it can really screw a lot of things up if it doens't disengage like it should...but i think loc-rite in the rear is what ill do....it seems good priced. i was either going to go with loc-rite or detroit in the rear...but i think for the price and from what i've read..loc-rite is the way to go...does the same thing but cheaper...that about right?
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Re: lockers?
« Reply #7 on: November 08, 2004, 08:38:27 AM »
I own an 03" tracker and I too am intrested in a locker

however... what scares me, is that w/ a 2.0 engine
is there enough torque to disenage the locker in icy conditions?
i live in some of the worse icy conditions

do you guys recommened a lockrite?
I know off the line would be great, but if icy and turning (lets say a u-turn)
would I be in trouble?

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Re: lockers?
« Reply #8 on: November 08, 2004, 12:33:00 PM »
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I own an 03" tracker and I too am intrested in a locker

however... what scares me, is that w/ a 2.0 engine
is there enough torque to disenage the locker in icy conditions?
i live in some of the worse icy conditions

do you guys recommened a lockrite?
I know off the line would be great, but if icy and turning (lets say a u-turn)
would I be in trouble?

thanks


If you drive on ice get the ARB and leave it off during icy conditions. You don't want a locker on ice. ice+locker=crash ;D
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« Reply #9 on: November 08, 2004, 01:11:30 PM »
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If you drive on ice get the ARB and leave it off during icy conditions. You don't want a locker on ice. ice+locker=crash ;D

It could be my driving style but I prefer having a locker on ice. I prefer manual lockers. take the $$$ you saved and buy a 4 to 1 t case.

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« Reply #10 on: November 08, 2004, 01:53:38 PM »
I've lock-rites front and rear. On Ice in 2wd I've not had any problems when it's solid ice, However I've had the ride of my life with 80 miles of patchy stuff.
  As far as the front I'ld investigate, either a good Limited slip, or the ARB if I had the money. It's a steering/ breakage thing.  I went with both due to the price of the Lock-right in the front due to the prices that I found on anything else.

Hope that Helps.
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Re: lockers?
« Reply #11 on: November 08, 2004, 03:04:47 PM »
In my previous double duty rigs, I've always had a rear locker. Though the rigs were 4-6k#'s and this is 2-3 times as heavy as a Trackick. I'd say that if you haven't driven your vehicle on ice, yet, don't get a locker. Get experience under your belt with the vehicle and the driving with the tires. You'll notice quite a bit of difference. Then in the spring, when it's all thaw, get your locker put in. Hopefully, you have some experience with the vehicle off road, and adding a locker then will help you learn about it's capabilities off road. Then when winter comes back around, you'll have some time and experience.

Why is everyone seemingly wanting to jump right in? Take some time and get to know your vehicle. Jumping right up into the saddle is not the way to go.
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Re: lockers?
« Reply #12 on: November 08, 2004, 08:44:36 PM »
i had a lock-rite in the front and removed it. there r situations where locking the front is a bad idea. if u r in the mud ur truck tends to just go strait and not where u steer it. on the rocks many times the same problem plus breaking parts. the lock-rite is great in the rear. expect a 1/4 turn of axle movement before the axle ingages. u get used to it and it feels normal after a while. the offroad benifit far out ways the onrad mannerism.
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Re: lockers?
« Reply #13 on: November 08, 2004, 11:15:20 PM »
Heres another thing to consider.  If you are trying to save money, look at a Trailtough minispool for the rear.  An ARB is best (but very $) a lockrite or the equivalent is nice, but a minispool, which is the same as a locker that's always engaged, is only $99.

Some people will tell you you will break axles with a minispool and some people will tell you that you are more likely to break stuff with a locker that locks and unlocks.  A minispool is more predictable than a lockrite, if nothing else.

I have a minispool in the rear of my Samurai and a lockrite in the front.  it works incredibly well on the trail other than not wanting to go where you point it with the front hubs engaged in 4wd.   :P  I have never broken anything in the axles and that includes plenty of street driving, too.  Being on 31s helps with the not breaking things.

So if you are trying to save $, definately check out the minispool.

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Re: lockers?
« Reply #14 on: November 09, 2004, 01:01:11 AM »
Just a word of caution.  If you have a 2002, maybe a 2001 or newer Tracker, the ARB will not fit without using a older model third member.  The new model ring gear has smaller diameter center and the ARB will not fit through it.  I learned the hard expensive way.  If you have any fitment questions check with Hawk.
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