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csa

Timing belt change
« on: December 10, 2007, 12:49:57 PM »
How much trouble to change the timing belt on the V6 XL7? It's got about 103,000 miles, but looks, runs and drives just like the day we bought it. It was my wifes car, but since she commutes 60 miles each way, the gas milage was killing her. We bought her a little Civic and now I got me a new toy! Got a lot to learn about these vehicles. Since we have had it, it has been extremely reliable. No problems at all except the front end doesn't seem to hold an alignment very well.
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Re: Timing belt change
« Reply #1 on: December 10, 2007, 12:57:46 PM »
Quote from: csa on December 10, 2007, 12:49:57 PM
It was my wifes car... and now I got me a new toy!

No problems at all except the front end doesn't seem to hold an alignment very well.

I hate to say it, but it sounds like you may have already replaced the part that was causing the alignment problems..
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I hadn't thought of that beercheck. You may be right!
« Reply #2 on: December 10, 2007, 01:08:44 PM »
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Re: Timing belt change
« Reply #3 on: December 13, 2007, 05:12:00 PM »
Actually, I've noticed this too.  It seems to need re-alignment every time I take it on a rough trail. 
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Re: Timing belt change
« Reply #4 on: December 18, 2007, 06:27:13 PM »
These things have timing chains.  They have no service interval unless they physically break.  Keep running 5w30 synthetic in them with 3000 mile oil changes and you shouldn't have any issues with it.
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Re: Timing belt change
« Reply #5 on: December 19, 2007, 10:48:13 AM »
Quote from: AJMBLAZER on December 18, 2007, 06:27:13 PM
These things have timing chains.  They have no service interval unless they physically break.  Keep running 5w30 synthetic in them with 3000 mile oil changes and you shouldn't have any issues with it.

105,000 on my 2001. But I have found that pure synthetic evaporates to quickly so I use a blend. Since I always own a Ford or two I've been using the Motorcraft blend. It's inexpensive and a great quality oil.
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Re: Timing belt change
« Reply #6 on: December 19, 2007, 01:29:28 PM »
That's up to you but the only way Suzuki recommends to prevent the ticking from the front of the engine is 3k oil changes with 5w30 synthetic.
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kennard04

Re: Timing belt change
« Reply #7 on: December 20, 2007, 10:17:18 AM »
Quote from: AJMBLAZER on December 19, 2007, 01:29:28 PM
That's up to you but the only way Suzuki recommends to prevent the ticking from the front of the engine is 3k oil changes with 5w30 synthetic.

yea I read that, but w/105,000 miles and no ticking and no oil burning I'm happy with what I'm doing. Maybe I'll try another brand of synthetic other than Mobil 1. It just evaporates way too quickly. I've never had good luck with that brand in any vehicle I've ever owned.
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Re: Timing belt change
« Reply #8 on: December 31, 2007, 07:12:38 AM »
evaporates?  I doubt it.  Any oil that might vaporize at the hottest parts of the motor would condense before escaping the cooler, top of the motor. 
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Re: Timing belt change
« Reply #9 on: December 31, 2007, 09:37:35 AM »
Quote from: pecs on December 31, 2007, 07:12:38 AM
evaporates?  I doubt it.  Any oil that might vaporize at the hottest parts of the motor would condense before escaping the cooler, top of the motor. 

you may want to do a little more research;

NOACK Volatility
The NOACK Volatility Test determines the evaporation loss of lubricants in high-temperature service. The more motor oils vaporize, the thicker and heavier they become, contributing to poor circulation, reduced fuel economy, increased oil consumption and excessive wear and emissions. A maximum of 15 percent evaporation loss is allowable to meet the API SL and ILSAC GF-3 specifications. As shown in the graph, AMSOIL 5W-30 Synthetic Motor Oil lost an extremely low 4.9 percent of its original weight during high-temperature service, maintaining its superior protective and performance qualities, while Mobil 1 SuperSyn 5W-30 Motor Oil lost 9.17 percent of its original weight.

Obviously this is a plug for Amsoil from their web page.
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Re: Timing belt change
« Reply #10 on: December 31, 2007, 01:28:11 PM »
Spend an afternoon digging around on this site before believing anybody regarding oil.

http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php

Oil is to these guys what Zuks are to us.  Times 1000.

Oil geeks.
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'03 ZR2 2dr Tracker, '02 XL-7 drivetrain and electrcs
XL-7 front coils
1.5" rear coil spacers
Monroe 32316 shocks w/2" extenders
235/70-16 Bridgestone Destination A/Ts on stock XL-7 Alloys RRO Rock Rails (Presently removed, as they rusted to all hell; all the bolts were rusted to dust.  Real nice, RRO...) http://www.trivia-nights.com
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Re: Timing belt change
« Reply #11 on: January 02, 2008, 09:35:04 AM »
Quote from: beercheck on December 31, 2007, 01:28:11 PM
Spend an afternoon digging around on this site before believing anybody regarding oil.

http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php

Oil is to these guys what Zuks are to us.  Times 1000.

Oil geeks.


yes that's a great site, I've been looking at it and reading for years. Which brings me back to synthetic vs dino oil and it's difference in cost. Unless you're towing or using your XL-7 in severe conditions paying $6 a quart for full synthetic is a waste of money. Plus, Mobil 1 has an extremely high evaporation rate, causing your oil to thicken and not protect as well in today's extremely tight engine tolerances.

Motorcraft 5W-30 in a dino/syn blend. At $2.50 a quart, less if you can find it in the 5 quart jug, it's way more than sufficient to run in the 2.7 V6. Unless someone wants to spend the extra $$$ so they can say they use a full synthetic, which is their right. Their money, their choice. But your engine won't know the difference. 
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Re: Timing belt change
« Reply #12 on: January 02, 2008, 11:16:36 AM »
Suzuki says otherwise but hey, it's your vehicle and your timing chain.
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kennard04

Re: Timing belt change
« Reply #13 on: January 02, 2008, 12:01:32 PM »
Quote from: AJMBLAZER on January 02, 2008, 11:16:36 AM
Suzuki says otherwise but hey, it's your vehicle and your timing chain.

got it, at the time Suzuki was part of GM, which specified Mobil 1 in alot of it's engines, for a price.

276,000 on a Ford 302. 192,000 on a Ford V10. 220,000 on a Ford 2.0 Zetec. 105,000 on the Suzuki 2.7 so far. No ticking, no evaporation. All with Motorcraft oil.
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Re: Timing belt change
« Reply #14 on: January 02, 2008, 01:23:53 PM »
Actually no, it's because originally when they came out with the 2.x V6 engines they kept having timing chain issues with sludge build up in the "front' of the engine.  At the time all they specified was 5w30 and I'm not sure if the oil change interval was 3k or higher.  After they tracked down the source of the timing chain issues they revised their recommendations to 5w30 every 3k with synthetic oil.  Last I knew they had no brand recommendations, just synthetic oil.
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