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2.0L ticking when cold
« on: December 18, 2008, 08:48:58 PM »
My 01 Vitara 2.0 is making a bit of a noise when I start it up. Today I had it where I fired it up after work and let it run for about a minute, then drove to the end of the parking lot and as I was waiting for a break in the traffic (about a minute again) it was ticking the whole time. Then, as I accelerated onto the road it was ticking fairly loudly until I got it up to 60km/h. Slowing down did not bring back the ticking. I am thinking this may be an early sign of piston slap, but this truck has only 144,000 km on it. Could it be a sticky lifter? Any other suggestions?
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Re: 2.0L ticking when cold
« Reply #1 on: December 18, 2008, 11:25:38 PM »
perhaps lifters(hydraulic?).
my mitubishi will do this if i use the wrong motor oil. too heavy and the lifters don't pump up right.
what weight oil you running?
i'm not familiar w/your motor.
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Re: 2.0L ticking when cold
« Reply #2 on: December 19, 2008, 07:49:31 AM »
I agree; before you freak out over it, go ahead and change the oil, using a different brand than last time, and go 5-30 if you didn't.  See if it goes away.  If not, then you can start the quest.

You might even just be a little low.
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Re: 2.0L ticking when cold
« Reply #3 on: December 19, 2008, 09:53:26 AM »
Quote from: olija on December 18, 2008, 08:48:58 PM
My 01 Vitara 2.0 is making a bit of a noise when I start it up. Today I had it where I fired it up after work and let it run for about a minute, then drove to the end of the parking lot and as I was waiting for a break in the traffic (about a minute again) it was ticking the whole time. Then, as I accelerated onto the road it was ticking fairly loudly until I got it up to 60km/h. Slowing down did not bring back the ticking. I am thinking this may be an early sign of piston slap, but this truck has only 144,000 km on it. Could it be a sticky lifter? Any other suggestions?

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My 2001 H25 has a noise like that upon starting, mostly when temps are down.  Is not an always thing.

Sometmes it is not there upon start, but will sound off after a minute of warming.  I can shut down and re-start and it will disappear most of the time.  I suspect that I just have a bit of a restriction in an oil port somewhere on the top end.

Next oil change, it gets a quart of Lucas Oil.  I hear good things about that stuff.  Wanna see if it helps.  probably better than the old STP, eh?  Remember Andy Granatelli trying to hold the screwdriver?

I use Castrol Syntech blend 5W30, with change every 3K miles.  Any other thoughts or suggestions?

Merry Christmas from Southern Oregon to all the members of the forum.  (BTW, wife and I will be spending New Years Eve and another night at about 5,000 feet elevation in the Cascades.  20 inches or more of snow now.  We will need the snowshoes!)

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Re: 2.0L ticking when cold
« Reply #4 on: December 19, 2008, 10:21:15 AM »
Quote from: Roguevalleyblue on December 19, 2008, 09:53:26 AM
I can shut down and re-start and it will disappear most of the time. 

YOU are almost certainly a little low on oil.  My 2.7 did exactly that when I failed to put in the full 5.5ish quarts.  Little tick at (or VERY soon after) start, but shutting it off and restarting had it gone 'til next cold start.  Thought I finally ran into the dreaded timing chain guide problem, but nope.  Runs like velvet with the full helping of juice.
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Re: 2.0L ticking when cold
« Reply #5 on: December 19, 2008, 06:12:12 PM »
Agreed, my 2.0 ltr leaks a bit of oil so when I start to here the clicking I know it's time to top up and it always goes away when I ad oil or do an oil change.
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Re: 2.0L ticking when cold
« Reply #6 on: December 20, 2008, 09:25:10 AM »
Quote from: beercheck on December 19, 2008, 10:21:15 AM
Quote from: Roguevalleyblue on December 19, 2008, 09:53:26 AM
I can shut down and re-start and it will disappear most of the time. 

YOU are almost certainly a little low on oil.  My 2.7 did exactly that when I failed to put in the full 5.5ish quarts.  Little tick at (or VERY soon after) start, but shutting it off and restarting had it gone 'til next cold start.  Thought I finally ran into the dreaded timing chain guide problem, but nope.  Runs like velvet with the full helping of juice.

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Beercheck, are you saying that the oil capacity issue is that small a tolerance? 

I am aware that due to differing circumstances at each oil change, the crankcase and filter do not always drain all (most) of the full book capacity of 6 qts.  It rarely (like once) took a full 6 when drained, otherwise more like 5.5 qts.  I have had a dipstick showing full and the noise will occur.  I can be a 1/2 qt low and it will occur.  I have a hard time getting my head around your diagnosis.  (Weak oil pump???)

Probably the previous owner did not take care of maintenance as he/she shoulda.

BTW, I also worried some about timing chain issues, but am pretty sure this is a lifter or something.  I am fearful of the old fix of running a bit of trans fluid in the intake to clean out the lifter or whatever is causing the problem.  Worked for me on older American cars.

And does anyone have opinion on the Lucas oil?

Thanks,
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Re: 2.0L ticking when cold
« Reply #7 on: December 20, 2008, 12:02:00 PM »
Quote from: Roguevalleyblue on December 20, 2008, 09:25:10 AM

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Beercheck, are you saying that the oil capacity issue is that small a tolerance? 

Yep, 1/2 quart or so, I'm saying mine definitely has that small of a tolerance when it comes to that ticking noise that goes away.  Beats me what the underlying cause would be.  When it was low (but before I realized my filling mistake), it even seemed as though starting the truck facing downhill would prevent the noise, but I didn't get all scientific on it.

Are you running 5w30?   You might also try a different brand of filter, but now we're reaching.
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Re: 2.0L ticking when cold
« Reply #8 on: December 22, 2008, 01:54:03 AM »
Quote from: Roguevalleyblue on December 19, 2008, 09:53:26 AM
I use Castrol Syntech blend 5W30, with change every 3K miles.  Any other thoughts or suggestions?


Yeah, either quit throwing your $$$ down the drain, or buy cheaper oil if you're going to change it every 3,000 miles.

Short explination:
Even the cheapest of modern oil sold today will last a MINIMUM of 6,000 miles. Synthetics & synth blends have better detergent packages, so they last 6,000 - 24,000 miles depending on the brand.

Long version:
All oils have 2 major components: 1) The base oil 2) The detergent package. The detergent package's job is to make the base oil non-costic to the engine, and to neutralize the 'bad stuff' that leaks into the oil as part of the combustion process of your engine running. Synthetic blends are only cool because they start with a more "pure" base. This means the detergent package doesn't have to neutralize any 'bad stuff' in the base oil - so they can run a higher % of detergents without 'thinning' the oil down too much. More detergents to neutralize 'bad stuff' = longer the oil can do it's job = extended oil change intervals.

Synthetics are supposed to save you money, and save the planet by extending your oil chance interval. Oil filters don't need to be changed very often either - in fact they're actually LESS efficient during the first few hundred to 1,000 miles. To learn more than you've ever wanted to know about oil, change intervals etc, check out: www.bobistheoilguy.com/
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Re: 2.0L ticking when cold
« Reply #9 on: December 22, 2008, 06:44:08 AM »
I have a 2000 2.0 and a '01 2.7, both with start to tap if only a half quart low.  These engines just like to run full.  I've had them for 5 and 4 years respectively and just use Castrol 5-30, I buy Purolator Pure One oil filters and am very happy with them.  Dave
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Re: 2.0L ticking when cold
« Reply #10 on: December 24, 2008, 03:27:17 PM »
Whatever you do do NOT put trans fluid in your intake,put it in your crankcase and it does work really really good at freeing up stuck lifters,in your intake could result in hydralic lock and you could damage other parts(engine).Do NOT put trans fluid in your intake!!
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Re: 2.0L ticking when cold
« Reply #11 on: December 24, 2008, 10:46:04 PM »
Quote from: johndb on December 24, 2008, 03:27:17 PM
Whatever you do do NOT put trans fluid in your intake,put it in your crankcase and it does work really really good at freeing up stuck lifters,in your intake could result in hydralic lock and you could damage other parts(engine).Do NOT put trans fluid in your intake!!


Gotcha, but still don't wanna do it.  Something I have heard about but never tried.

Pat


Quote from: Jeremiah on December 22, 2008, 01:54:03 AM
Quote from: Roguevalleyblue on December 19, 2008, 09:53:26 AM
I use Castrol Syntech blend 5W30, with change every 3K miles.  Any other thoughts or suggestions?


Yeah, either quit throwing your $$$ down the drain, or buy cheaper oil if you're going to change it every 3,000 miles.

Short explination:
Even the cheapest of modern oil sold today will last a MINIMUM of 6,000 miles. Synthetics & synth blends have better detergent packages, so they last 6,000 - 24,000 miles depending on the brand.

Long version:
All oils have 2 major components: 1) The base oil 2) The detergent package. The detergent package's job is to make the base oil non-costic to the engine, and to neutralize the 'bad stuff' that leaks into the oil as part of the combustion process of your engine running. Synthetic blends are only cool because they start with a more "pure" base. This means the detergent package doesn't have to neutralize any 'bad stuff' in the base oil - so they can run a higher % of detergents without 'thinning' the oil down too much. More detergents to neutralize 'bad stuff' = longer the oil can do it's job = extended oil change intervals.

Synthetics are supposed to save you money, and save the planet by extending your oil chance interval. Oil filters don't need to be changed very often either - in fact they're actually LESS efficient during the first few hundred to 1,000 miles. To learn more than you've ever wanted to know about oil, change intervals etc, check out: www.bobistheoilguy.com/


If I was the original owner, and was certain of the maintenance and environmental conditions, maybe then I would consider letting it run longer between.  OTOH, I am an old dinosaur and Marine, and can adapt if nec, but hate to all the same.  Hope that you all have a Merry Christmas.

Pat (whose holiday charity holds his tongue)  sorry, feeling feisty, ...m-in-l in next to last stage of pancreatic cancer.  We are with her.

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