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tracker/sidekick turbocharging info
« on: December 31, 2008, 11:32:47 AM »
There is a company called 505 performance.  www.505performance.com that i have contacted about building a turbocharger kit for the 8v tbi trackers and sidekicks.  They replied back to me and told me that i would have to get some more people interrested in doing this, but they said that they have a customer that has one and he can let them use his tracker to mock-up the kits.  They don't know what the price would be, but just told me that i would have to get at least three people willing to buy kits.  Please reply to them and tell them that you would buy a kit possibly if they would build one.   

Who said that there is no replacement for displacement.

Re: tracker/sidekick turbocharging info
« Reply #1 on: December 31, 2008, 11:45:17 AM »
oh and by the way the e-mail address for those guys is sales|removethispart|@505performance.com so give them an e-mail if you are interrested in them building a kit for us.

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Re: tracker/sidekick turbocharging info
« Reply #2 on: December 31, 2008, 11:48:30 AM »
How much?

Who said that there is no replacement for displacement.

Me. A N/A engine lasts longer, is more reliable (fewer things to break), and doesn't require expensive hi-octane fuel. Under-hood temps are kept down, and most engine swaps are California Legal, while most turbo kits are not. There's no "specialty" parts (Read: not stocked at my local parts place, and $$$) to replace.

Don't get me wrong, Turbo's are SWEEEEET and I will be building one in a smog exempt propane-burning vehicle (thinking a 50's Chevy truck). There may be alternatives to displacement, but there's still no replacement for displacement.
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Re: tracker/sidekick turbocharging info
« Reply #3 on: January 01, 2009, 06:26:09 AM »
 ;) All that being said, turbos can still be fun and relaible, and if done right kept simple.
The usual stuff, and 2nd generation Air to liquid intercooled TURBOCHARGER

Re: tracker/sidekick turbocharging info
« Reply #4 on: January 07, 2009, 01:00:30 PM »
is there nobody that wants more power and stil maintain reliability

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Re: tracker/sidekick turbocharging info
« Reply #5 on: January 07, 2009, 02:50:03 PM »
is there nobody that wants more power and stil maintain reliability

2.3 Swap!   :D
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Re: tracker/sidekick turbocharging info
« Reply #6 on: January 07, 2009, 05:12:43 PM »
is there nobody that wants more power
Yes
and stil maintain reliability
Yes - that's why I'm looking at engine swaps. They're FAR more reliable than a turbo. No turbo, fuel pressure regulator, or aftermarket engine management to fail on me while I'm out in the middle of nowhere. And I can still run cheap gas.


Turbo's are sweet, and I love reading about them. But, for the same money - I can get a 2.0L, have the same power, a more reliable engine, and run low octane fuel. If I weren't in California, and I could use propane as a fuel source - I'd be way more interested. Propane conversions are far more simple than FI, so I'd argue the reliability factor goes way up - but then - so does the price...
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Re: tracker/sidekick turbocharging info
« Reply #7 on: January 10, 2009, 05:27:17 PM »
Chevy 4.3s are kinda reliable. I scrapped my rotted out s-10 at 225'000 mi and the scrappers are still using it as a 4x4 yard truck! My friends 2wd s-10 is getting parted out right now at over 300,000!!  Runs smooth but knocks a little when cold. That simple and  reliable...but heavy :-\
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Re: tracker/sidekick turbocharging info
« Reply #8 on: January 13, 2009, 11:08:58 AM »
That simple and  reliable...but heavy :-\

I know  :'( They're cheap and plentiful - wish Suzuki V6 was as cheap! Less power, but all aluminum block, and still more than enough grunt for a kick or samurai.
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Re: tracker/sidekick turbocharging info
« Reply #9 on: January 13, 2009, 04:18:25 PM »
Honestly...
I'd much rather a company develop a kit to swap in a 2.2L GM ECOtec motor 150hp/150 lb-ft in our 200lb. rig would be awesome!  It would be a lot lighter and more plentiful in supply than swapping in the suzuki V6 with nearly simular HP numbers.
Plus pull 30mpg, and a huge after market.

An ecotec swap would be the best all around swap for ANY track kick.  I'd pay for that before wasting cash on a peiced together turbo.
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Re: tracker/sidekick turbocharging info
« Reply #10 on: January 13, 2009, 06:13:19 PM »
we are totally hijacking this thread...sorry.. >:D
I personally think there are alot of benefits to the suzuki powerplants. Sure numbers aren't as desirable but the simplicity is a plus especially for a trackkick swap since the Tcase between GVs and trackicks is essentially the same. 

I think you might be surprised at the cost of a complete engine/tranny/tcase/wiring harness for a used GV motor. just out of curiousity you should give hawk a call for a price on a 2.5L GV motor with all the fixins for an engine swap.

beyond that there used to be a couple turbo kits out there, but I think they have all closed up. Periodically I see parts floating around on various forums. Lots of people have done it..

tuning the 8valve with a header/exhaust/underdrive pulleys/new timinig belt/valve adjustment/and a better intake makes a big difference too, but as they say "there is no substitute for size". I for one would like to see a turbo kit back on the market, even though I personally don't have an application for it at this time


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Re: tracker/sidekick turbocharging info
« Reply #11 on: January 14, 2009, 08:45:47 AM »
Re: Turbo "kits": Every time someone comes up with a workable turbo for one of these rigs, interest seems to peak and people start talking about "kits." The usual questions are how much power increase? and how much will it cost? Once a price is mentioned for a REAL workable turbo for OUR engines, not some one size almost fits nothing peice of Chinese crap, that initial interest fades quickly. These are not modified Honda civic kits, they need to be specifically designed to fit our engines and engine compartments, and driving styles. Then the fueling issues had to be worked out, then the cooling issues, etc, etc, etc. The big deal is the cost. A GOOD, properly sized liquid cooled Turbo: $650+ , take your chances with a junkyard special. Want it to be reliable? spring for the good one. A proper, well made, stainless steel manifold built from schedule 40 304 grade designed to last? One offs are going for $700+. You can definitely get cheaper, built from regular steel for a lot less, but then you get the corrosion issues. Plate it or coat it, $ hundreds more. Mild steel tubing ala ebay Chinese throwaways? 6 mos or less lifespan. No need to even mention PVC intake tubing I hope. That shit is for plumbing not turbo's.
I can understand the shock people go thru when they hear the price for a REAL working, durable and reliable turbo system. Yeah, you can put one together for a hellofa lot less, but I wouldn't stake my name or reputation on a time bomb POS that I wouldn't run in my own rig. 
I could put together a good turbo kit that almost anyone could install, on a STOCK 16v engine, using the stock ECU, and it would be reliable and Durable, with significant increases in USUABLE power.  I've done it, and continue to use mine daily in every type of situation on and off road. I've heard it all, reliability? NO problem, working great, durability? No problem, can even take being submerged repeatedly, and will run all day long on the highway with a prob. Was it worth it? Damn right! to me it was, especially since I built it myself. Was it easy? Hell no ! I made plenty of mistakes and several manifolds and went thru many configurations before I came to the correct one. The big deal is it took LOTS of time and effort to get it to where it is today, working correctly, and reliably. So, you want a turbo kit that works? It will cost you at least $2000. I can't figure any other way to do what I did less expensive and have it come out as good as mine . I wouldn't do it any other way, too much at stake. I leave that to the bigger manufacturers who have the econemy of scale to do it cheaper. The thing is, IF people really wanted kits the money would have to do the talking, and frankly, money and spending it is not something most ZUK owners are known for. 2k is a lot of coin to invest in engine mods when it can buy many other desireable and useful parts for a Zuk, hell 2k can even buy a good Zuk. The only way I could justify spending this much time and $ on mine is because I love the challenge, doing the fab work, and deriving the satisfaction of getting the job done, having it work great, and gaining the respect of my peers. In that case it was money and time well spent. That may not be the case for anyone else though. "You get what you pay for,"  old saying that usually is very true. "Cheap" is reletive. Some people think I spent too much on my Tracker as is, but not me, and that's all that matters. So, turbo kits? really want one?
The usual stuff, and 2nd generation Air to liquid intercooled TURBOCHARGER

Re: tracker/sidekick turbocharging info
« Reply #12 on: January 14, 2009, 10:09:54 AM »
this company has been building performance mods and turbo kits for the jeep 4.0l six cylinder for years and have built kits for both obd1 and obd2 computers so if the question is will it be reliable, and will it be quality product, yes it will be, all we have to do is keep e-mailing them to let them know that we are out here and that we are wanting more power easily done with a turbo kit custom made for the vehicle by them.

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Re: tracker/sidekick turbocharging info
« Reply #13 on: January 14, 2009, 04:02:11 PM »
I very much agree with bentparts, By the time it's all said and done it'll cost ya about 2g to install a turbo. I know this cause I'm in the processes of building one for my sidekick with a 1.6 8v. So if they can come up with a good quality kit using good quality parts for under 2g... but it!
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Re: tracker/sidekick turbocharging info
« Reply #14 on: January 15, 2009, 04:57:49 AM »
yes, but they told me that they wont build a kit until there is enough interest in it for them to build one.  that is why anyone who is willing to pay for one of these kits, like myself, please e-mail them at sales|removethispart|@505performance.com and let them know that you read about it on this forum and that you are interrested in the kit if they build it.